EVE General Discussion

It probably has something to do with not being able to just jump in and getting loads of content spoon fed to you all while being constantly reminded how legendary you are. Every single time you do a simple task you get an achievement celebrating your amazing skill at doing simple tasks, "Congrats you logged into the game! 10 achievement points." Or perhaps not being able to overpower things with all purple gear while thinking you are just so awesome and everybody should admire you. You can't out level other people and one shot them, or use that extra power to win. Even winning is a subjective thing in EVE. Technically the only objective is the one we set ourselves.

Or maybe it is the toxic community as some would call it. Where you can get scammed out of everything you own by some EU nerd sitting in his underwear at his computer typing away with his cheetos infested finger tips. Where pirates and gankers roam around looking for fresh fish to devour at any time, ready to make some miner or mission runner cry out in protest.

EVE kicks your ass and then laughs at you. It doesn't hold your hand or tell you a bed time story. You are the story. I guess some people don't like that, they want a game that just gives them a leaderboard and a way to show off their leet skills. This game tells you to go make it happen if that is what you want. Maybe it's too much of a job. Maybe it requires too many IT related skills cause you might have to learn how to create a site, application, or whatever to make the game you want.

But most of all from what I can see is that EVE is about patience. Everything today seems about now now now. Don't make me wait! And the more time you put into something only to lose it is too painful to bear.

Have you *seen* the "Opportunities" notifications? And they've added *payouts* to them now. And they can't even ****ing remember which ones I've already done before.

I **** you not - I just got a(nother) message stating that I get a whole 100.000 isk for *chatting in local* for the first time.... On an 8 year old character that has probably spoken in local at least a few thousand times....

Some of what you say is understandable, but please excuse Doc when he points out that a big part of your problem(s) is that you are trying to play in null solo with a 3-man alt corp, and that is just not going to work, and hasn't for a long time. Jump fatigue is irritating but quite manageable, but you will need better planning and friends to be successful.

Wardecs aren't harassment . There are many ways to deal with them; dropping out of or rerolling the corp, blobbing their expensive ships with frigates, moving, having friends in the merc business that you can call upon or retain on a monthly basis etc, etc.

One of the mechanics that was used to actually hunt down targets has recently been changed in such a way that hunting people down is virtually impossible. I have no doubt that the merc corps will continue to adapt to that change, one of the results of that adaption is that blanket wardecs have increased in order to increase the possibility of having something to shoot at.

Regardless of peoples wish of not wanting to be bothered, this is a PvP game, all of it, including hisec; just like any other PvP game you consent to participating in PvP the moment you log in.

And?

That was *prior* to 2013 correct? Before Phoebe and before you tried to go solo? That's what your corp history says anyway.

Do renter alliances actually pitch in and provide group logistics to/from Jita?

Good luck with your wife, may she always say: "Docking request...accepted"...

CCP removed the option for a small or solo wardec corp to function, if I can't see who's online and there's no other ways to check it then I can't target a specific corp or specific corp members and thus the only solution as a wardec corp is to stop using a scalpel and to start using a shotgun or even better, C4. That doesn't mean what some of the corps do makes sense or isn't silly, they did stuff like that before the changes as well but CCP simply eradicated the smaller, more focused wardec corps and those people either reformed or joined big wardec corps, making the problem even more severe.

CCP per usual does things without understanding what consequences it has, they removed watch list because of supercap pilots (they have the biggest lobby in the CSM after all) and didn't think or want to listen to us about what other consequences it would have. We even listed them some solutions: have locator agents tells us if someone is online or not. But nope, couldn't be bothered because as always with CCP it's 1 step forwards, 2 steps back. The result of that is what you see right now, completely silly blanket wardecs that will only get worse and worse.

Don't blame us.

I looked him up, he lost ONE ship, a retriever, while mining in a 0.6 system. There's 3 barges for a reason, he chose the one that blows up easily while being in a 0.6 system and a very busy one at that (Isanamo). If a player chooses to make 3 silly decisions then the outcome is predictable.

So you can take your "woe is me" with you, CCP has been catering for the low effort carebears for years.

There is no short answer to OP's question, however as stable as our playerbase is, eventually some of the older players stop playing due to real life or simply moving on, as for the new players that are supposed to replace them - today they have many more options to choose from than 15 years ago, plus gamers have become lazy.

I spoke to a friend of mine about EVE and that I'm still playing it after so many years and he said: "don't wanna even test the game, too many menus, seems too complicated and time consuming". He prefers the easy paths, even though MMOs are supposed to be time consuming, there are single player games for the opposite.

In short - new generations have become lazy and don't bother playing games where they have to think.

For me, it's going to be simple, pretty soon: the big screens in-station (or if not the screens, whatever else that they changed when they introduced the screens) crashes my video cards to black screen or (sometimes) blue screen. It's been several patch fixes and they haven't been willing to remove the screens, and they obviously haven't done anything to fix the increased graphics load in-station and/or the crashing (for me).

So good bye EVE.

Or you could just move to low/null/w-space where wardecs dont matter and such things have 0 impact on your game play.

I agree with this. A game that has a linear direction and isnt as complex as eve can do fine on a 14 day free trial. In eve, after 14 days, you still really dont have a clue as to whats going on and you havent done enough of anything to actually decide if you like the game or not. Nor have you really game the game a chance. And eve is slow to get started on, so new players really need that extra time to get into eve. I was prodded by a friend who played 6 months longer than i did to stick with it, because it gets better. Without that i would of quit after 14 days.

As someone who primarily pvps, i can still agree with this. Pve in eve is boring and almost completely unchanged since i started almost a decade ago. Sure they added a few ultra hard mode things, but hardly put any effort into pve.

There are very few people that actually engage in this type of activity on a constant basis. I pvp all the time and while i do gate camp, its rare, and its usually access denial for a specific corp or alliance in null rather than trying to catch noobs that wonder in tama. Most pvpers pvp like me not like the gatecampers, wardeccers, and gankers. If you are a noob and i shoot you its because you were in null and you usually have to be fairly deep into null because i normally dont hang out on the highsec boarder systems.

The ones you complain about are actually to lazy to do actual skilled pvp. They rather just shoot a passer-by in usually a non combat ship. Shooting fish in a barrel to me is not fun nor challenging.