Crime & Punishment

Holy English Batman

We already had a few of them trying to rejoin us, but we wont be taking a single ex CD in to Marmites. We want skilled, drama free players and are happy since most of these morons left Marmites about 6-7 months ago.

Karma is a biatch ! You should have known that, before you tried to **** with us. Only reason you dont have another war with us, is because Rias diplo-ed very hard to end our last war.

My two favourite places in the world: Chamonix and Paris.

My <3 goes out to France ATM. That's why Eve is such great escapism fm RL.

Thoughts go out to any French players.


However though, Frag you are not helping your alliance out by freaking out on a public forum.

Who's alliance are you referring to?

OK 1st its called "ALLIANCE TOURNAMENT" not eve player tournament your previous "alliance" was 12th not you.
I do hope CD get in i want to see you forfeit all your matches :)

2nd the tournament is completely different from TQ. and CD can lick VMG and EVERY other MERC alliance boots as far as TQ ranks go regardless of how you do in the tournament.

We just find it funny that as soon as we decc a "merc" alliance they run to solitude then most stop playing and those who do play ship down to frigs and small stuff. and now FRIG SOLO is forum fighting with aPOOPhis from the safety of the test server lol... and where was gate is red during our last war months ago? they stopped playing for the 12 days of the war then also.

Just too funny. Complaints Department are the BEST test server merc alliance in eve RANK #1 i hear :)

I agree that a more dispassionate analysis of the situation would be helpful. But that does not mean allowing Frag Solo's unsupported or illogical statements to go unchallenged. To wit, he argues that:

1. Lack of wars is not CD's fault because leadership is away:



This is why alliance leaders have directors, to maintain continuity of operations in their absence. If I were a potential customer, I would be very concerned that a merc alliance I hired would unexpectedly down tools just because a couple of people stopped logging in.

2. Lack of Gate is Red activity is a consequence of attacks in France:



My solidarity with the French people in the wake of 7/14 attack. However, it is disingenuous for Frag Solo to claim that lack of Gate is Red activity is attributable to a reaction to the 7/14 attack. As is easily verified using zkillboard.com, there were absolutely no Gate is Red kills between 7/10 and 7/14. However, there were 8 kills on 7/15/ and 7/16. That is undoubtedly a low number of kills, but the fact is that Gate is Red activity went up, not down, after 7/14.

3. Blah blah blah Alliance Tournament:



CD has been unable to put enough members on the field in fleet during this war to even match the numbers of a standard Alliance Tournament team. If a little pressure from a 'High Sec PvP' group causes CD to turtle up, why should we expected to believe that they will have the ability to handle an AT fight?

Final Point: (Part of) the way ahead for Complaints Department:

The unprofessional and uncollegial actions and attitudes of Gate is Red pilots are the root cause of this war. There are many decent pilots in CD, and some are a pleasure to work with. I agree with a previous poster that argued that CD needs new leadership. But they also need to purge corps like Gate is Red that behave badly, perform poorly, and then hide from the consequences.

I don't think I've ever read a more beautiful example of why you shouldn't hire these scrublords. +1 Mr. Estray. +1 indeed. And I also find their use of attacks in france to explain their absence absolutely disgusting with those figures pointed out. Terrible people indeed..

My intention had been to create a thread specific to it's intended purpose not provide a place for others to vent their spleens, meta game and generally behave like louts...I was somewhat misguided in my hope to maintain some degree of clarity, it was I suppose naive of me.



You have a spy in my alliance so I am as aware as you are that this matter has been dealt with, which is why it is only me that is posting in here from now on.

And with all due respect; is it not true that I set out that CD members should be courteous in all cases, did I not address any issue where CD where discourteous to your members, have I not maintained what I said I would and for the very purpose of building a relationship of at least mutually ignoring one another for the very purpose of establishing this alliance as being based on it's future goals and not built on old grudges and yet you have stolen upon the first opportunity you have seen to attempt to twist the knife...Et tu Tora? How ever my thanks to you for your kind words regarding my efforts to improve upon our previous relations.

To address a number of the issues, raised herein,

My French members are somewhat emotionally charged at this time and understandably so, they will not be posting in this thread because it is my place to do so, the attempts to vilify them are neither fair nor ultimately kind. Things are said in times of fervor which reflect poorly on otherwise good people. For any offence caused I appologise, for any offence rendered to them I shall leave to the offender to reciprocate.

There has been antagonistic behavior on many parts in this thread and much of it specifically to illicit a hostile response and some cases to validate preconceptions or flawed arguments and I accept my Members have been a part of that but it is a shallow mind that only sees the antagonism of the others, it takes an open mind to consider one's own part in an argument.

The lack of Wars question, yes there has been quite an effect on leadership due to real life events and that is a matter for me to accept and endeavor to change with the rest of our leadership, but I would add that assessing the effectiveness of a Merc Alliance on the basis of their number of wars is based on the assumption that Mercs are griefers, such as the conventional attitude to us, in effect we did at one stage have over 300 wars caused by various glitches and fortunately CCP has assisted us in resolving this, we have not sought to blanket Dec the whole of new eden for the very purpose of allowing us to focus on our contracts which I accept have suffered due to the recent hostilities, we are attempting to develop a focus towards contracts rather than wide ranging pointless decs that operate as content driving money sinks, odd though it may seem we have deliberately sought to reduce our number of wars, admittedly tardiness on my part meant that they did reach a somewhat low level but I am still learning...may the truth of this fall upon deaf ears.

Estray I shall take you to task on your last point...



The conduct of your members has been far from laudable, I accept that my members may at times raise backs and in some cases outright offend or annoy people but to try and point the finger exclusively at My fellow alliance members is to ignore the conduct of your own. In truth many of your members have been rude to me and my members even when not at war, when the subject of holding kills was addressed on one occasion recently I was not asked to hold a kill, I was told to, your pilots demand respect and convey none, in the inverse I would intervene as I have done on this occasion and would have done had the matter been brought to me sooner for the simple reason being that I do not personally feel that such conduct is appropriate, I have addressed every case of poor behavior which has been brought to me and I am not omnipotent so unless I am told...I sadly do not know. I consider your point moot on account of this.

The truth is we are trying to change and have been doing so for some time, we are trying to let old wounds become scars so that we may function as a courteous, efficient and professional group and many factors have caused hurdles along the way, I am not a person of confrontation but rather a person of communication, I embarked on resolving differences with old adversaries in the hope of fostering a new age for Mercs, a matter I discussed with former enemies (for lack of a better expression), and this; because I believe there should be a unity within our small community within eve for the purpose of being able to protect our content...ask the Leadership of Marmite should you require validation, but altruism has a price.

I have been honest to my word in everything I have said, I have done what I said I would and may have even been able to resolve this issue had I known of it at source...I accept my failures therein.

But disputes are one thing, I fail to understand how it has escalated to such vehemence.

RB

It is extremely hard to argue against any of those points.

On the subject of Scandor he has sadly stopped playing and that is taking some time to adjust to.

Thanks for the constructive nature of the post and it's clearly written with kindness and respect. Each of which I offer my thanks for.

RB