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Is EVE end coming?

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aldhura
Blackjack and Exotic Dancers
Top Tier
#61 - 2016-07-19 23:09:32 UTC
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
There are tons of new or returning players everywhere. Just kill any random miner in highsec and you will see. So there is no problem really.


I suggest you to come out of h shell. One day attacking miners will be prohibited. I can bet on it. This slowly goes into Orwelian future. So there is no problem really.


Cult members are not allowed to change the scripts.. they wouldn't know what to say Ugh
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#62 - 2016-07-19 23:12:57 UTC
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
William Legrand-Marx wrote:


[Heavy snip]

The CCP exit from stock market was a desperate way to hide the losses and lack of profitability which would make investors run in fear and create problems for CCP.

[Another Heavy snip]



Focusing on just this part. No. They cannot hide losses from investors this way. Investors can still say, "We'd like to see the books." And if CCP said, "No." That would be Bad™.


From the shareholders on the market at large, and from competitors. You can hide losses in so many ways if you know IFRS and laws very well. ANd please stop spouting, you can hide a lot of stuff with stock exit. I know myself, I have been through that.


Sure if one wants to engage in fraud one can hide lots of stuff...but that is not what you are claiming. If you start "hiding" losses from investors it is going to be Bad™.

The problem with CCP is they are not content to reinvest in the one thing they have that makes money, Eve Online. Instead they invest in other projects and those projects have all failed. Now they are pinning their hopes on Valkyrie and are using Eve as the source of money for that. Based on past experience (which is not a sure predictor for the future) there is not much reason to hope Valkyrie will be the boon CCP thinks it will be.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#63 - 2016-07-19 23:15:15 UTC
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Eve is in a transitional period atm, and has been sence pretty much the WIS dibocal. (which was more complex then just incarinia btw.)

After that, ccp took a, safe approach and spent about 2 years working over older systems we wanted fixed. They did not add new content, which in tern had people complaining that they wanted new content (serisouly, you cna;t please everyone) Around 2013, ccp started shifting towards the future. Dust was launched, and was a success on the money side (it made profit) but form a technical where it wanted to go side, it was a failure. 2014 rolls around, and CCP decided to dump word of darkness and shift focus to fully the eve ip. They wrote off 98m that year (they did not actually lose 98m, as it was mostly a write off of stuff they spent priviously for tax poruposes) and we entered the transitional phase form old eve towards new eve. Stuff began to change.

Now, the number delining are multiple factors, from 1) changes people dislike. 2) people realizing they can now do more with less accounts. 3) anti broadcasting measures. But we are still in the mist of the 2014 vision. Valk is in early access and progressing nicely, nova should be progressing (green light the damn thing)

As for eve dying, the fact that with the release of skill injectors gave ccp the highest monthly revenue ever... means i doubt they are closing anytime soon. We have already seen the numbers bounce a bit form last year, and stableize, though wiuth summer comming i expect a dip. We should know more once the other structure changes and some other features are shown.

EVE dying? no. Chaning? yes. Will ti suruve the change and come out stronger? who the hell knows. But this thread is stupid. Because no matter which way you actually look at it, ccp as a comapny are healthy, and as long as they are healthy, eve is here to stay.

No matter what, i'll be here till they shut down all the servers, or i die. whichever comes first.


Good luck with that. One more thing, Nokia was also healthy... do not underestimate the power of self-destruction. We will see how fast sp booster guys get bored of eve. If they wont - good, if they will - bad. I think I didnt make it clear, that I want eve to live. Making it pathetic is what I am aginst. The level of mental gymnastics is falling, it gets easier to play.


SP is boring. What makes the game exciting and interesting is that you don't know how things will always go.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Roenok Baalnorn
Baalnorn Heavy Industries
#64 - 2016-07-19 23:16:34 UTC
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Eve is in a transitional period atm, and has been sence pretty much the WIS dibocal. (which was more complex then just incarinia btw.)

After that, ccp took a, safe approach and spent about 2 years working over older systems we wanted fixed. They did not add new content, which in tern had people complaining that they wanted new content (serisouly, you cna;t please everyone) Around 2013, ccp started shifting towards the future. Dust was launched, and was a success on the money side (it made profit) but form a technical where it wanted to go side, it was a failure. 2014 rolls around, and CCP decided to dump word of darkness and shift focus to fully the eve ip. They wrote off 98m that year (they did not actually lose 98m, as it was mostly a write off of stuff they spent priviously for tax poruposes) and we entered the transitional phase form old eve towards new eve. Stuff began to change.

Now, the number delining are multiple factors, from 1) changes people dislike. 2) people realizing they can now do more with less accounts. 3) anti broadcasting measures. But we are still in the mist of the 2014 vision. Valk is in early access and progressing nicely, nova should be progressing (green light the damn thing)

As for eve dying, the fact that with the release of skill injectors gave ccp the highest monthly revenue ever... means i doubt they are closing anytime soon. We have already seen the numbers bounce a bit form last year, and stableize, though wiuth summer comming i expect a dip. We should know more once the other structure changes and some other features are shown.

EVE dying? no. Chaning? yes. Will ti suruve the change and come out stronger? who the hell knows. But this thread is stupid. Because no matter which way you actually look at it, ccp as a comapny are healthy, and as long as they are healthy, eve is here to stay.

No matter what, i'll be here till they shut down all the servers, or i die. whichever comes first.


Good luck with that. One more thing, Nokia was also healthy... do not underestimate the power of self-destruction. We will see how fast sp booster guys get bored of eve. If they wont - good, if they will - bad. I think I didnt make it clear, that I want eve to live. Making it pathetic is what I am aginst. The level of mental gymnastics is falling, it gets easier to play.
While i would agree with you on not making eve a dumbed down game, it may not be feasible for it to thrive and continue to be a complex game. A game company either has to cater to players or let the game die.

F2p games do this. They put effort into the initial game and then do minor updates mostly in the revenue area. They focus on generating things for people to buy rather than things for people to do. And they have to keep getting more and more ridiculous with their store in order to keep sales up. This model of game play is doomed for failure from the start. Its basically a ponzi scheme. You are offered better deals and the chance at some powerful item that will give you an edge over everyone else...except they dont tell you the chance of getting that item is 1 in a million or more. They have to keep feeding you these deals to keep the scheme going until eventually not enough people pay to play to make a decent profit.

You close down the game and open a new one, usually one that is similar to that one. And they are usually some sort of city building game or a version of it. Then you start the process over make more money and repeat. Im really surprised its not illegal. Game of War is actually a well known game that is a ponzi scheme.

Its a slippery slope when you start heading that direction. Its not a direction CCP wants to head. Rather they should focus on content that makes the game exciting. They focus a lot on sov and null space. And im happy with that as thats my bread and butter. But they need to also broaden their scope to appeal more to other players unlike me. Players that love to PVE all day, build stuff, treasure hunt, etc.

The markets eve is part of is shrinking. it may just be a low slump or it may be a downward spiral. Either way CCP needs to tap a bigger audience to keep going in a smaller market without destroying the "soul" of eve. But first....they need to stop bringing stuff out that has more bugs than the Everglades.
Zanar Skwigelf
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#65 - 2016-07-20 03:13:17 UTC
I know EVE has to die eventually, but can they wait a few days first? I need to update my PI.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#66 - 2016-07-20 03:41:16 UTC
Zanar Skwigelf wrote:
I know EVE has to die eventually, but can they wait a few days first? I need to update my PI.

Yeah jeaus man i gota uodate my standings.

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ISD Fractal
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ISD Alliance
#67 - 2016-07-20 13:29:40 UTC
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