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HHC On Tibus Heth / Diana Kim Admits Heth's Failures!
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Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2016-07-17 13:58:34 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:
The often lauded as heroic acts at the armour forge never cease to amaze me.
Not for the fact that they worked, but for how staged the whole affair appeared.

Had the home guard been competent on that day, given that there were snipers and heavy ordnance on site, they may have temporarily made a martyr out of him, though once his dragonaur allegiance became public knowledge, his support would likely have waned.
They would have saved the Caldari people a lot of grief in the process however.

I remain certain that without Heth's rise and aggression, Caldari Prime would still have, sooner or later, been transferred back to at least it's current partial Caldari control, without the need for a titan sized crater in the surface.

It is also worth noting, that Malkalen would likely not have happened without Heth's rise to power, as there would not have had to be such a hastily arranged and visible process had it not been in response to the public call to arms made by heth at the time.

-Tertianus Rethelior.

An interesting perspective that I never thought of but Kim will most certainly dismiss
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
#22 - 2016-07-17 19:53:00 UTC
Slayer Liberator wrote:

An interesting perspective that I never thought of but Kim will most certainly dismiss

She publicly supports the Dragonaur and has petitioned the CEP on more than one occasion to remove their terrorist status.
Her dismissal means little.

-Tertianus Rethelior

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2016-07-17 23:03:17 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:
Slayer Liberator wrote:

An interesting perspective that I never thought of but Kim will most certainly dismiss

She publicly supports the Dragonaur and has petitioned the CEP on more than one occasion to remove their terrorist status.
Her dismissal means little.

-Tertianus Rethelior

You're right
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#24 - 2016-07-18 03:21:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Tibus Heth was the greatest hero of the State. He has returned our home, and that day became National holiday. He has commited heroic deeds, and her was praised by Caldari society for that.

Maybe he did also some questioning actions and some of his decisions were suboptimal, and I myself highly disagree with what he did in couple of situations...

But it doesn't give anyone to insult him. He died as a hero, fighting Sansha.

Those, who are insulting him and spreading lies about him, they are worst of the scum.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Lord Kailethre
Tengoo Uninstallation Service
#25 - 2016-07-19 12:29:51 UTC
Was I too late? I got back as fast I could. I've got uhhh... Quafe™ of three different flavours, a case of Starsi™ for those so inclined and a whole bunch of fingerfoo- Oh. I was late.

Well, at least I've got it all here for the next time.
Natheniel
Kurupt.
Sedition.
#26 - 2016-07-19 14:45:30 UTC
What the hell? How is this thread not filled with Diana Kim and it has Heth in the damn title!

"Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#27 - 2016-07-19 15:06:14 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Maybe he did also some questioning actions and some of his decisions were suboptimal, and I myself highly disagree with what he did in couple of situations...


Is this admission of Heth's imperfection?! Kimmy, I'm shocked! How dare you insinuate that the greatest Caldari Hero isn't flawless. This propaganda should not be allowed to stand, you Gallente lapdog! If you wish to restore your honor as Caldari you will need to duel Heth's champion, Diana Ki-....... well, ****. I guess you'll just have to drink the tea.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2016-07-19 15:52:44 UTC
Natheniel wrote:
What the hell? How is this thread not filled with Diana Kim and it has Heth in the damn title!

Must have been clonejacked
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2016-07-19 15:54:56 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Maybe he did also some questioning actions and some of his decisions were suboptimal, and I myself highly disagree with what he did in couple of situations...


Is this admission of Heth's imperfection?! Kimmy, I'm shocked! How dare you insinuate that the greatest Caldari Hero isn't flawless. This propaganda should not be allowed to stand, you Gallente lapdog! If you wish to restore your honor as Caldari you will need to duel Heth's champion, Diana Ki-....... well, ****. I guess you'll just have to drink the tea.

This confirms it 100%
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2016-07-19 16:58:52 UTC
Mathias Sobaseki
Yakiya Tovil-Toba
Otro Gariushi
Visera Yanala

The four greatest heroes of The State.

(Note that three of them were killed by the Federation - and people ask why we hold a grudge!)

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
#31 - 2016-07-19 18:27:28 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

But it doesn't give anyone to insult him. He died as a Terrorist, On the run, as a passenger, in a stolen Caldari Navy ship that appears to have been attacked by the Sansha's Nation, Unable to help in the conflict due to not being the Capsuleer in command of the vessel he was hiding on.


Fixed that for you.
You're welcome.

-Tertianus Rethelior

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
#32 - 2016-07-19 18:30:09 UTC
To be fair Pieter, Tovil-Toba killed himself, and while Gariushi was killed by a federation vessel, there is some question as to who was truly in command there.

That the Federation was a player in both events is not in question however.

-Tertianus Rethelior.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#33 - 2016-07-19 18:40:03 UTC
Blerp

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Yarosara Ruil
#34 - 2016-07-19 18:51:19 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:
To be fair Pieter, Tovil-Toba killed himself, and while Gariushi was killed by a federation vessel, there is some question as to who was truly in command there.

That the Federation was a player in both events is not in question however.

-Tertianus Rethelior.


Grr Federation! Hat Federation!

It's not like I like working for the Federation or anything! B-baka!
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#35 - 2016-07-19 22:35:56 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Mathias Sobaseki
Yakiya Tovil-Toba
Otro Gariushi
Visera Yanala

The four greatest heroes of The State.

(Note that three of them were killed by the Federation - and people ask why we hold a grudge!)

Wait wait wait a moment?...

What exact heroic act did Otro Gariushi actually commit?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#36 - 2016-07-19 22:50:30 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Mathias Sobaseki
Yakiya Tovil-Toba
Otro Gariushi
Visera Yanala

The four greatest heroes of The State.

(Note that three of them were killed by the Federation - and people ask why we hold a grudge!)

Wait wait wait a moment?...

What exact heroic act did Otro Gariushi actually commit?


CEO Gariushi's leadership saw an ailing and corrupt Megacorporation remade into a healthy and vibrant one. He was a man of peace and honesty his whole life and truly strove against individualist corruption for the sake of the whole. He was the model CEO, one who exemplified saakanuaku yet who knew when to stand firm against the torrent of others on moral principle. He is and will ever be one of the greatest heros of Ishukone.

Still, I do not know if he is one of the greatest heroes of the State.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#37 - 2016-07-19 23:00:27 UTC
Neph wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Mathias Sobaseki
Yakiya Tovil-Toba
Otro Gariushi
Visera Yanala

The four greatest heroes of The State.

(Note that three of them were killed by the Federation - and people ask why we hold a grudge!)

Wait wait wait a moment?...

What exact heroic act did Otro Gariushi actually commit?


CEO Gariushi's leadership saw an ailing and corrupt Megacorporation remade into a healthy and vibrant one. He was a man of peace and honesty his whole life and truly strove against individualist corruption for the sake of the whole. He was the model CEO, one who exemplified saakanuaku yet who knew when to stand firm against the torrent of others on moral principle. He is and will ever be one of the greatest heros of Ishukone.

Still, I do not know if he is one of the greatest heroes of the State.

Ms. Neph, I didn't ask about his personal qualities, if he was good or bad, about his principles and policies, business successes and how he acted as a leader.

I have asked if he has committed an actual heroic action, and if he did - which one.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#38 - 2016-07-19 23:19:24 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Neph wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Mathias Sobaseki
Yakiya Tovil-Toba
Otro Gariushi
Visera Yanala

The four greatest heroes of The State.

(Note that three of them were killed by the Federation - and people ask why we hold a grudge!)

Wait wait wait a moment?...

What exact heroic act did Otro Gariushi actually commit?


CEO Gariushi's leadership saw an ailing and corrupt Megacorporation remade into a healthy and vibrant one. He was a man of peace and honesty his whole life and truly strove against individualist corruption for the sake of the whole. He was the model CEO, one who exemplified saakanuaku yet who knew when to stand firm against the torrent of others on moral principle. He is and will ever be one of the greatest heros of Ishukone.

Still, I do not know if he is one of the greatest heroes of the State.

Ms. Neph, I didn't ask about his personal qualities, if he was good or bad, about his principles and policies, business successes and how he acted as a leader.

I have asked if he has committed an actual heroic action, and if he did - which one.

He was an all around good guy, from making Ishukone what it is today to his martyrdom at the hands of the Wandering Saint, his life's work towards peace is enough to make him a hero. And not just for the Caldari. Many in the Federation, myself included, have a deep respect for the man. You would also be hard pressed to find a soul in the Republic with ill words on their lips about him. You don't need military merits to be a hero. If that's not good enough, he beat my father in a bout of Mind Clash once....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#39 - 2016-07-20 00:45:04 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Ms. Neph, I didn't ask about his personal qualities, if he was good or bad, about his principles and policies, business successes and how he acted as a leader.

I have asked if he has committed an actual heroic action, and if he did - which one.


He almost brought a negotiated peace between the State and the Federation, being slain with his kirjuun at their HQ in Malkalen at the hands of Admiral Noir and the so-called "Wandering Saint".

He literally gave his life in an attempt to bring peace to The State. That's heroic enough, isn't it?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#40 - 2016-07-20 06:31:19 UTC
Unfortunately, Pieter, as you probably well know by now, any actions that don't involve the complete and utter genocide and destruction of the Gallente people and their culture will never seem to fit in with Kim's views of heroism. Her worship of a false hero who sought to uproot the State's culture and society in favor of his own, and who also oversaw the murder and terrorizing of countless State citizens speaks volumes.

Gariushi's legacy will live on, however. Reppola does a fine job of carrying the torch of the honorable Gariushi. And RDC alongside I-RED continue to promote Gariushi's life work of building a lasting relationship of peace and prosperity between the Gallente and Caldari.

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