Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You can blow up the POS, you can blow up a Citadel, you can take the station, you can probe down at a safe, unless cloaked.

Nope, I want to actually have a good idea that my baiting efforts will be reacted to by someone ATK, this is simple stuff keep up.

Ho hum, but how do I know that they are ATK if they are cloaked and silent, they could be AFK, who knows. Still no matter how you spin it with imprecise one iners that are meaningless unless clarified by follow up posts and even then are irrelevant, the issue is that I want a method so that I can set up my bait having a good chance that the player concerned is ATK.

This is hardly rocket science and very simple, if the AFK cloaky camper is actually AFK then all my efforts to entice him are for naught and I just wasted my play time on that, this is unacceptable in terms of a game, it is not content, it is anti-content. This is not about easy kills, this is all about a person being AFK and me wasting my valuable game time.

Nowhere in Eve are you guaranteed to get something. You go on a roam hoping you will catch something. You stalk your pray hoping you catch him. It's not guaranteed. That time you used to find out that they were AFK wasn't wasted. Now you know they aren't there and you can go back to rattimg

Why are 20,000 other people in the game relevent? Are they camping one of the systems I am using, if I had all 20,000 in system then great I could shoot something.

I have killed campers, I have a kill on a Goon Tengu with a Badger Mk II, bet you have not done that...

You are answering your own suggestion in terms of 20,000, it is you who keeps mentioning it as if it is somehow relevant, it is not.

The issue is that I have proposed an AFK flag supplied by an OS to enable me to ascertain easier when the cloaky camper is active so I can then work out the best time to hunt or bait him. Otherwise I waste valuable gaming time trying to bait someone who is not ATK.

It is simple stuff, anyone with a functioning brain can work that out, but you seem to have an issue.

PS I don't mind you trolling me, because I keep putting forward this idea of an AFK flage behind an OS which sits behind the one that supplies local. Thanks for the bump, keep posting!

My issues with it is it is essentially free intel. Having a fixed cost in terms of ISK, while a cost, the actual "price" (if you will) is zero. Second balancing on ISK cost has a pretty bad track record. Third, it doesn't address the issue of AFK cloaking, it just addresses Dracvlad's narrow concerns.

I am not going to reply directly to the trolls because one seems fixated on 20,000 as a number and another just seems to think that if trolls thinks its not good then its not good, well you are a troll. As for Teckos, it is designed to not impact cloaks themselves while reducing the impact of the lame AFK play which the people who do this sort of camping are doing, while rewarding those who make the effort to work out when they are likely to be active.

CCP is going to use OS's for local in sov space, my OS will sit behind that, like the one I suggested for watch list capabilities it will be ulnerable when it is active, so as such is not free, because it will need to be defended. This enables the camper if he has any hanging fruit to actually get a fight, amazing that. They will cost around 100m and do not have any reinforcement timers.

They do not require fuel, and are invulnerable when turned off. Only one can be active at any one time.

The flag is applied to any character in system who has not interacted with their client for more than one hour. With an AFK flag you can look around your screen to see what is on grid with you, but anything else will remove that flag.

The idea is simply to enable people to gather the intel when teh camper is likely to be active and thus negate the lame tactic of AFK camping, it also enables the players in that system to form up a fleet to bait them when they have worked out their play patterns.

It is not free intel because the structure costs ISK and needs active defence when it is active. Thus creating a point of conflict that is better than the ESS.

Some of you don't like it because I came up with the idea, some of you because you are lame AFK campers and others because you love to troll.

My objective with this is not to damage cloaks, acheived, not to change log off, and to reward active players who are prepared to fight as well as making the intel not free and requires people to be around to see the campers flag hit. Yes it can be gamed, and that is fine, it means that the player is ATK, and this is where intelligence comes in, its not a total guarantee.

I have covered all the angles with this idea, it will work and it deals with the issue of AFK play.

One of the trolls seems to think it makes it easier to hunt, well yes you little sparrow, but that is on the back of it bing made more difficult with the removal of watch lists and the introduction of skill injectors which means that AFK campers can create a clean effective toon that makes it impossible to work out the time that they play, its a balance against those two major impacts to intel gathering and risk assessment. But of course your feeble intellect cannot get around that point, sigh

Anyway I would just like to thank you for continuing to post and enabling me to put forward this idea on the thread, I have already got a friend to talk to the devs on slack about it, so you know what, its out there in front of the devs. As is my watch list idea, hopefully CCP go with it. Does that make you feel happy, I hope not, lol.

I think your suggestion goes too far and breaks cloaks, it will have a significant knock on effect to Supers and Titans, which in one way is a good thing. I also explained the issue with Cheetahs going at 640 m/s and how that will be difficult to catch.

There is no issue with people whining about being killed, the entire objective of my idea is that it is not free intel, you need to observe the camper in terms of his AFK flag and you have to defend the OS when it is active. The camper can chose to attack it.

Okay, serious question explain this "knock on" effect.

Again...serious question. I don't get your point so please explain.

I get the cheetah problem, I acknowledged that. Again the devil is in the details.

As for the whine factor, please that has been a huge factor lately. In fact, I see it as CCP wanting to keep these shitlers where in the past they wouldn't. CCP seems determined to go for VR and sacrifice EVE to do so.

For you shitlers, for CCP customers who pay their wages, I warned CCP about the error of leaving the mining ships with the tank of a wet paper bag while buffing destroyer damage, they left that like that for years, they lost a huge number of players due to that. Any mechanic that encourages people to log off and go and play another game are not a good idea with the current level of log ins, player numbers create content, for example I just logged out and there is barely 15k on line. AFK cloaky camping is actually a destructive tactic, I have seen people quit Eve over it.

As I understand your suggestion its the ability to get a hit on cloakies with a scan probe, I was not sure what the parameters were in terms of how you did this, was it some OS that enabled this affect, or special probes etc. You talked about the cloaky having to be active to not get caught so my assumption was it was similar to probing down a ship as it is now.

The impact is that it will destroy cloaking, something that I and many others do not want, we use cloaking to enable us to go and do RL stuff,. Now there are a number of ships that when cloaked move at a very slow speed and your idea kills the cloak, there is no value in it. So Supers and Titans can not move with any sense of being able to hide as they do now. In itself its not a bad thing, but the impact is massive for all those that are in alliances that do not have a Keepstar.

The most important factor for me is that it destroys casual play, people do exploring with cloaky ships, they go into space to find those sites, they get called away while being hunted, they have to plan more on whether they do tat if they have any chance of RL hitting them, I have a lot of interruptions for example so this means that I have to stop and get safe. If I know that I will get those interruptions then I will not do that content.

For me your suggestion is going to damage casual players.