Crime & Punishment

Gankers/looters have been using this little trick for sometime, and it seems to be growing in popularity because it is successful in circumventing risk vs reward crime mechanic.

Step one - Gank
Step two - Bring in a noob or a cheap frig to the wreck.
Step Three - Bring a Bustard to wreck
Step Four - Use Noobship as the sacrificial ship to move the wreck items into the Bustard. Noob ship goes suspect, but bustard stays normal. Even though it is now holding ganked illegal loot. If noob ship gets popped, repeat step four.

Step five - Fly illegal loot away safely in bustard that is not flashy yellow with no risk.


Even though everyone on grid saw it happen, there is minimal things that can be done since it is a flaw in the mechanic. Yes, the looter can be popped, then they can bring it back... However the transfer of loot is so quick that by the time the ship has transferred it and is suspect, it is too late.

How to fix it., two options I can think of to fix it.

1 - If you go suspect you can't transfer cargo into another ship (in highsec).

2 - If the loot is transferred into another ship, it goes suspect as well. (It is a crime to be the get away driver of a bank hist (even if your not the first one)).

* another option for #2

2(b) - If the loot is transferred into another ship, it goes suspect ONLY for everyone on grid with it (those that saw the transaction). If it warps away to a station, and no one station was at the gank site they would not know what happened and not see the looter as suspect.



Open to other ideas that prevent this loop hole in the mechanic, but lets stay on topic.

Thanks!
Kip

I vote for #2. I would love to be able to join random mining fleets and turn their orcas into suspects ripe for murdering.

Definietly. There's a lot of unfucked stuff that needs upfucking first, like cameras etc.

Agreed. Crimewatch is trash and has only made things worse for everyone, while all they need to do is make highsec safe. Prohibit using any weapons. Poof! - problem solved.

This has nothing to do with ganking. Ganking is a valid mechanic of the game, high sec should NOT be completely safe. Lets stay on topic. Its is about the exploit of looting.

Beat me to it! THat is what I was thinking!

Kippy, you've been back to antiganking me for how long? Two days now? And you're already crying to CCP? I guess I shouldn't expect much more from an antiganker, but it does seem a bit too soon.

Show me where on the Bustard the anti-ganker looked at you funny.

1. This mechanic has been around forever. You seem to be implying it is somehow getting around the rules or intentions of the mechanics, but I don't see any reason why this is anything but working as intended. Afterall, CCP would have done something after years of pilots utilizing this mechanic if it was truly broken.

2. You are thinking through the process incorrectly. The suspecting frigate isn't really moving from the can directly to the fleet hangar. This mechanic is essentially a duplicate of how POS structures transfer stuff. The only requirement to move any m3 of stuff between structures is that you be in a ship, not a just a pod. Why is this? Well, the stuff isn't really moving directly into the next structure. What actually would need to happen is the stuff be loaded into your ship and you fly it over to the next structure. Obviously, this would make for some very dull content so CCP does it for you. All you see is the stuff moving from structure to structure as if it was being jettisoned into space towards the next structure like some high stakes space frisbee golf. The same process happens during the looting process. Stuff gets moved from the wreck, to your cargo, to the fleet hangar. All this is done automatically for you because who wants to sit there and unload a 1,000,000 m3 wreck 500 m3 at a time with their heron.

3. As others have started to point out, even if you remove the ability to safely move loot into a fleet hangar there are a handful of alternatives to perform the same task and still produce secured loot and a green safety DST. "Fixing" this mechanic isn't going to change much, only make a currently simple process more complex. CCP has been trying to remove unnecessary complexity from Eve for quite some time, I doubt they will ever reverse that trend.

4. Just because you can't find a consistent counter to this type of looting doesn't mean there isn't one out there already. Maybe all it takes to "fix" this mechanic is a bit of ingenuity on your end. Not to mention there are plenty of scenarios where looting into a fleet hangar with a throwaway frigate or rookie ship isn't viable or the situations where you have no choice but to suspect the DST/orca/freighter.

It is tempting to throw a grenade amongst the cluster of crying codies, they are talking about unisex showers in the Intergallactic Summit





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