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Feature request: Citadel description/biography

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Kueyen
Angharradh's Aegis
#1 - 2016-07-18 15:24:50 UTC
After seeing the hundredth citadel with inspiring names like "Ice Reprocessing(54%) 0.5% Tax" and "54% refine & more, join us!" (apologies to the owners of said citadels), it really starts to grate on my sense of immersion. I mean, I don't shop at "Food half price!", nor do I have a bank account at "2% interest, inquire inside!"... But currently, citadel owners have no recourse but to use the name to inform the public of the offered services.

Would it be possible to equip citadels (and similar structures) with a biography or description field (like characters, corporations and alliances have) for owners to use to inform visitors of the nature of, and/or the operating parameters of the services offered by said citadel?

Until all are free...
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#2 - 2016-07-18 15:42:12 UTC
I like this idea, but it should probably be moved to F&I.

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Taisaanat Kotei
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#3 - 2016-07-18 16:05:11 UTC
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#4 - 2016-07-18 16:20:40 UTC
Thread definitely belongs in F&I and not GD.

Doc would settle for being able to navigate to Citadels properly, and for the ones with a market, have their system show-up in the market window, you know, like every other station with a market.

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Kueyen
Angharradh's Aegis
#5 - 2016-07-18 16:51:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Kueyen
Granted, I was looking for a bit of "General" exposure before being sent off to the dark corner that is PF&ID (seriously, it's been a month since there was a reply by a CCP employee in that entire forum...)

Consider this thread to be as much

  • "An inquiry as to the community opinion regarding emergent naming conventions in Citadels across New Eden"

    • as it is

  • "Please give us more options to list/display citadel service parameters and/or advertisments".

    • Of course, we shall abide by the decision of the moderation team, and meanwhile, remain your humble servant.

    Until all are free...
    Commander A9
    This Was The Way
    #6 - 2016-07-18 17:02:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander A9
    We definitely need a 'Description' or 'Info' tab on our Citadels.

    I'm behind this one, especially if it allows us to go into detail about who has access and who doesn't. I'm...predicting scams when people sell things at Citadels, but disallow pilots outside their corps from docking to pick them up.

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    Pandora Carrollon
    Provi Rapid Response
    #7 - 2016-07-18 18:12:05 UTC
    I'm kind of torn on this one.

    On one hand, that's really spiffy and helpful.

    On the other hand, no other stations get this benefit. You only know about the major trade hubs because of their reputation and word of mouth.

    There's nothing stopping you from putting a Mobile Depot or container outside of the Citadel with your adverts as to what is inside.

    I think the best idea might be to allow players to purchase Billboards and run their own ads on them outside of their Citadels. Allow them to function like Mobile Depots (they can be shot without penalty other than suspect) but go into reinforced for 24-48 hours. If you don't 'refresh' the Billboard in a day or two, it can be violently removed from space.

    This idea allows for no advantage to a Citadel vs. Empire Station and expands/defines what people are already doing with Mobile Depots and Containers.

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    Brokk Witgenstein
    Sebiestor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #8 - 2016-07-18 18:18:39 UTC
    But a description would allow you to "Show Info", whereas a billboard would not.
    ISD Max Trix
    ISD Community Communications Liaisons
    ISD Alliance
    #9 - 2016-07-19 12:14:36 UTC
    Moved to Player Feature and Ideas.

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    Kueyen
    Angharradh's Aegis
    #10 - 2016-07-19 15:14:25 UTC
    ISD Max Trix wrote:
    Moved to Player Feature and Ideas.
    Many thanks.


    As to why Citadels should have this feature while NPC stations do not:

    • Because the operating parameters of NPC stations are entirely known once you view the station info. Reprocessing? 50%. always. Tax? Determined by your standings to the owning corporation. With Citadels, these are unknown until you actually try to use the service (i.e. you actually have to bring ore to refine to test the refinery!), and can vary between different Citadels of the same corporation.

    • Because people using NPC stations for their business are guests in these stations, and should not get to complain about not having certain features that those that own the station they do business in, do. The fact that Kalaakiota or The Scope don't feel the need to write station descriptions should not be used as an excuse to prevent capsuleer corporations from doing so in stations they own. (Outposts and Starbases are effectively deprecated, and are of no consequence in this comparison)


    Would billboards be a good idea? Yes, in a system like the one Starbases uses. With Citadels, CCP moved in the direction of an integrated approach, where all services and properties of the Station are put into a single structure.

    Perhaps an "Advertisement" service module (with *minimal* resource use) might be appropriate, instead. But that's some serious feature bloat for what is essentially little more than adding a field in the database.

    Until all are free...
    Rivr Luzade
    Coreli Corporation
    Pandemic Legion
    #11 - 2016-07-19 16:35:39 UTC
    Completely agreed. There need to be more ways to tell and learn what is what with these structures than just the names.

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    Gadget Helmsdottir
    Gadget's Workshop
    #12 - 2016-07-19 17:36:11 UTC
    Pandora Carrollon wrote:
    I'm kind of torn on this one.

    On one hand, that's really spiffy and helpful.

    On the other hand, no other stations get this benefit. You only know about the major trade hubs because of their reputation and word of mouth.

    There's nothing stopping you from putting a Mobile Depot or container outside of the Citadel with your adverts as to what is inside.

    I think the best idea might be to allow players to purchase Billboards and run their own ads on them outside of their Citadels. Allow them to function like Mobile Depots (they can be shot without penalty other than suspect) but go into reinforced for 24-48 hours. If you don't 'refresh' the Billboard in a day or two, it can be violently removed from space.

    This idea allows for no advantage to a Citadel vs. Empire Station and expands/defines what people are already doing with Mobile Depots and Containers.


    There's also little to stop someone else from displaying incorrect information outside of a depot as well.
    While this might make the market game more combative, there's no real way to tell who's telling the truth without actually using the service. Hard to do research on an action when the only way to research is to DO the action.

    --Gadget

    Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist

    Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
    Hallvardr
    #13 - 2016-07-19 18:26:06 UTC
    Absolutely, this seems like a given. One of those ideas where they [CCP] says .. yea, why didn't we think of that?? Shocked

    I endorse and/or support this idea, feature, or addition!

    All those in favor -- aye !
    Those not in favor -- [cricket, cricket, cricket]

    Motion is moved, CCP, please include in next "minor" patch.

    ... next on the agenda?
    Dark Lord Trump
    Infinite Point
    Pandemic Horde
    #14 - 2016-07-19 21:55:05 UTC
    Yes please. I can't wait to see what silly things end up on the descriptions of the Pillow Fortizar or the Beanstar.

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    Eternus8lux8lucis
    Guardians of the Gate
    RAZOR Alliance
    #15 - 2016-07-20 05:27:15 UTC
    Well the stations have the facilities list in the show info screen. What they offer for services. So Id just use this same feature for the citadels imo.

    Services


    Navigation and knowing what system they are in would be handy as well.


    Also as a side note the existing outposts it would be handy for a beacon to be made when they get turned with a list of "owners" like our employment histories to mark their passages through time.

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    Echo Mande
    #16 - 2016-07-20 09:32:11 UTC
    I endorse this idea.

    There is a good place for a informational tab in citadel information, if only to show who should be nagged at for access/standings.

    There is also a place for player corporation billboards, placeable in a variety of places though not everywhere.I fully realize that these would probably have a very short TTP.

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    Kaivarian Coste
    It Came From Thera
    #17 - 2016-07-20 16:25:55 UTC
    This feature request is made of win, and has my support.

    +1