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Is CCP in bed with the Mormon Church?

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Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
#21 - 2016-07-17 10:04:06 UTC
Izi Ningishzidda wrote:
Yes that's exactly what it is. And they've clarified *Joseph Smith* just to eliminate any possibility of error. The Mormon Church *invented* the term. It's what they are *officially* called. There is no other meaning for Latter Day Saints. Even if you *invented* one to prove a point it wouldn't make a difference because that is how they are known, and they got there first. They've made hundreds of millions of dollars under that name. "Mormons" is just a nickname.

If you had a corp named Microsoft or Catholic Church or Electronic Arts or Amtrak you wouldn't mistake them for someone else if they showed up on a billboard in Eve just because it is a video game? Tell that to a court you know it wouldn't fly. And I'm not buying that Latter Day Saints has nothing to do with the corporation religion of the same name.


I already pointed out to you that beyond a corp name, said corp appears to have no relation to said real world religious sect. But you have convinced yourself otherwise, because you are apparently unable to differentiate between real life and videogame.

You are clearly so consumed with rage that you are immune to reason, so go file a ticket.

ISD needs to lock this thread.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."

- Hunter S. Thompson
Izi Ningishzidda
Doomheim
#22 - 2016-07-17 10:05:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Izi Ningishzidda
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

Nana Skalski wrote:
Player Ads for some prominent religious cults that are in real life look terrible in EVE. Breaks immersion.


What? There's nothing immersion breaking about human religions still existing in a human future. The Amarr Empire's religion is in fact an extension of classic Catholicism.

I wasnt writing about in game religions, Lore states there is no islam, christianity and other such. I saw christian ads in EVE.


Yeah, because some people run corps advertised for Christian members so they can have an exclusive christian community. So what? There are female-only corps as well, for women that are uncomfortable playing with men. So what? They can have their 'safe spaces' if they want, as long as they don't expect the rest of EVE to conform to their personal reasons for being in that community. There are no rules against this.

You don't have to join a Christian corp. No one is trying to make you. How is that 'immersion breaking'? Just seeing them? Uh oh, muh immersion is bruck by people playing the game the way they want to, what do?

Get out.


Like I said, an opinionated ,

"Get Out" LOL

And a last word freak too I see.

There's a big difference between special interest groups and a very specific church advertising a very specific message to non-believers under an official banner plastered in the faces of people who DO NOT want to see them. Eve is for playing Eve, it isn't for pushing real world agendas of any kind.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#23 - 2016-07-17 10:07:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

Nana Skalski wrote:
Player Ads for some prominent religious cults that are in real life look terrible in EVE. Breaks immersion.


What? There's nothing immersion breaking about human religions still existing in a human future. The Amarr Empire's religion is in fact an extension of classic Catholicism.

I wasnt writing about in game religions, Lore states there is no islam, christianity and other such. I saw christian ads in EVE.


Yeah, because some people run corps advertised for Christian members so they can have an exclusive christian community. So what? There are female-only corps as well, for women that are uncomfortable playing with men. So what? They can have their 'safe spaces' if they want, as long as they don't expect the rest of EVE to conform to their personal reasons for being in that community. There are no rules against this.

You don't have to join a Christian corp. No one is trying to make you. How is that 'immersion breaking'? Just seeing them? Uh oh, muh immersion is bruck by people playing the game the way they want to, what do?

Get out.

Trashing the space as forums with real life religions, same applies to politics, is not good, ok? It can be reported and surely will be removed.

ᴇᴠᴇʀʏ ᴘᴀʀᴛ ᴏғ ᴀ ɢᴀᴍᴇ ʜᴇʟᴘs ᴛᴏ ᴛᴇʟʟ ᴀ sᴛᴏʀʏ 📕

ᴡʜᴇʀᴇ ɪs ᴀɴɢʀʏ ᴄᴏɴᴄᴏʀᴅ ɢᴜʏ ᴡʜᴇɴ ʏᴏᴜ ɴᴇᴇᴅ ʜɪᴍ

ᴏsᴘʀᴇʏ 🚀

≡⋁≡ ♥
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2016-07-17 10:08:31 UTC
Izi Ningishzidda wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Izi Ningishzidda wrote:
Yes that's exactly what it is. And they've clarified *Joseph Smith* just to eliminate any possibility of error. The Mormon Church *invented* the term. It's what they are *officially* called. There is no other meaning for Latter Day Saints.



Again, it's harmless fun. As advised, if it really 'offends' you so you can file a ticket, but it's likely that nothing will happen. You're other option is, don't play, because if you're going to be this hypersensitive about a harmless corp name, then the rest of EVE is going to be utter torture.



You're an opinionated, Im sure of that, obviously you have never had any dealings with the Mormon Church. They ruin people's lives and I don't want to financially support their godamned message in any platform, whether it's a fantasy romance novel about Joseph Smith and his 50 wives or a fantasy sci-fi game set in the future.

Fiction or reality, I don't want any of my money going towards their pathetic crap.


Really? You think your money is going to this corp? Is that why you won't pay? OMG.

I've had dealings with more churches than you probably even know exist, mate. I've had scientologist lawyers knocking on my door at 6am (yes, lawyers, plural) threatening me with lawsuits for articles I've written. You are making mountains out of molehills, you really are. Whatever you were a victim of, these players weren't the culprit, so actually, you need to get the **** over it, and HTFU. Play, don't play, the game is better off with hypersensitive people like you anyway, so it won't be losing anything if you leave.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2016-07-17 10:09:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Nana Skalski wrote:

Trashing the space as forums with real life religions, same applies to politics, is not good, ok? It can be reported and surely will be removed.


Both you and the OP need to get a better grip on reality, so you can learn how it differs from fantasy. Promoting religion in game is, in fact, against the rules. That's not happening here, and religiously themed corps are not against the rules. Allahu Ackbar.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#26 - 2016-07-17 10:13:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:

Trashing the space as forums with real life religions, same applies to politics, is not good, ok? It can be reported and surely will be removed.


Both you and the OP need to get a better grip on reality, so you can learn how it differs from fantasy. Promoting religion in game is, in fact, against the rules. That's not happening here, and religiously themed corps are not against the rules. Allahu Ackbar.


I dont want reality religion ads in a game, Game is escapism. I have enough real **** in real life. Ok? Get over it.

ᴇᴠᴇʀʏ ᴘᴀʀᴛ ᴏғ ᴀ ɢᴀᴍᴇ ʜᴇʟᴘs ᴛᴏ ᴛᴇʟʟ ᴀ sᴛᴏʀʏ 📕

ᴡʜᴇʀᴇ ɪs ᴀɴɢʀʏ ᴄᴏɴᴄᴏʀᴅ ɢᴜʏ ᴡʜᴇɴ ʏᴏᴜ ɴᴇᴇᴅ ʜɪᴍ

ᴏsᴘʀᴇʏ 🚀

≡⋁≡ ♥
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2016-07-17 10:14:06 UTC
Izi Ningishzidda wrote:

There's a big difference between special interest groups and a very specific church advertising a very specific message to non-believers under an official banner plastered in the faces of people who DO NOT want to see them. Eve is for playing Eve, it isn't for pushing real world agendas of any kind.


None of that is happening here. None of it. "I don't want to see it" is not a reason to get rid of it, either, because I could just as easily say, I don't wanna see you, and you can see our predicament, can't you?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2016-07-17 10:17:23 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:

Trashing the space as forums with real life religions, same applies to politics, is not good, ok? It can be reported and surely will be removed.


Both you and the OP need to get a better grip on reality, so you can learn how it differs from fantasy. Promoting religion in game is, in fact, against the rules. That's not happening here, and religiously themed corps are not against the rules. Allahu Ackbar.


I dont want reality religion ads in a game, Game is escapism. I have enough real **** in real life. Ok? Get over it.


I don't want you in the game. You're too serious and you're ruining my escapism. I have to deal with enough people like you in my real life. Ok? Get over it.

Do you see how personal problems are not anyone else's problem but your own? There are no religious ads in the game. It's an ad for a player corp, with a name that is taken from a religious organisation, but does nothing to represent it. Or maybe it does, but for the sake of telescoping itself to RL mormon players who want that mormon community. So what? This really is just a personal subjective problem for you and the OP, and you can throw all the tantrums you want about it, but this corp, as far as I can tell, hasn't done anything that you're suggesting, and all of this has exploded from a simple ******* ad which does nothing to promote any religious agenda.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Izi Ningishzidda
Doomheim
#29 - 2016-07-17 10:17:58 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:

I've had dealings with more churches than you probably even know exist, mate. I've had scientologist lawyers knocking on my door at 6am (yes, lawyers, plural) threatening me with lawsuits for articles I've written. You are making mountains out of molehills, you really are. Whatever you were a victim of, these players weren't the culprit, so actually, you need to get the **** over it, and HTFU. Play, don't play, the game is better off with hypersensitive people like you anyway, so it won't be losing anything if you leave.


I don't need to get over anything, I know exactly where I stand, and why. I don't care if Eve or other people lose anything by my leaving or not. I only care about *my* experience with the game. God what a self centered opinionated you are to think that everyone has to impress you or others to find enjoyment in the game.


You may be a godamned Mormon yourself for all I care but I would feel the exact same way if The Church of Satan was throwing their ad up in stations. Religion does not belong in game, not especially where it is as abusive and monstrous as the Latter Day Saints.

Christian special interest groups are a completely different story. They are non-specific interest groups nothing less nothing more. But I don't want to see Jesus popping up in the stations to tell me he saves.
Izi Ningishzidda
Doomheim
#30 - 2016-07-17 10:21:08 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:

Trashing the space as forums with real life religions, same applies to politics, is not good, ok? It can be reported and surely will be removed.


Both you and the OP need to get a better grip on reality, so you can learn how it differs from fantasy. Promoting religion in game is, in fact, against the rules. That's not happening here, and religiously themed corps are not against the rules. Allahu Ackbar.


I dont want reality religion ads in a game, Game is escapism. I have enough real **** in real life. Ok? Get over it.


I don't want you in the game. You're too serious and you're ruining my escapism. I have to deal with enough people like you in my real life. Ok? Get over it.

Do you see how personal problems are not anyone else's problem but your own? There are no religious ads in the game. It's an ad for a player corp, with a name that is taken from a religious organisation, but does nothing to represent it. Or maybe it does, but for the sake of telescoping itself to RL mormon players who want that mormon community. So what? This really is just a personal subjective problem for you and the OP, and you can throw all the tantrums you want about it, but this corp, as far as I can tell, hasn't done anything that you're suggesting, and all of this has exploded from a simple ******* ad which does nothing to promote any religious agenda.





God what a narcissist.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2016-07-17 10:22:52 UTC
Izi Ningishzidda wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

I've had dealings with more churches than you probably even know exist, mate. I've had scientologist lawyers knocking on my door at 6am (yes, lawyers, plural) threatening me with lawsuits for articles I've written. You are making mountains out of molehills, you really are. Whatever you were a victim of, these players weren't the culprit, so actually, you need to get the **** over it, and HTFU. Play, don't play, the game is better off with hypersensitive people like you anyway, so it won't be losing anything if you leave.


I don't need to get over anything, I know exactly where I stand, and why. I don't care if Eve or other people lose anything by my leaving or not. I only care about *my* experience with the game. God what a self centered opinionated you are to think that everyone has to impress you or others to find enjoyment in the game.


You may be a godamned Mormon yourself for all I care but I would feel the exact same way if The Church of Satan was throwing their ad up in stations. Religion does not belong in game, not especially where it is as abusive and monstrous as the Latter Day Saints.

Christian special interest groups are a completely different story. They are non-specific interest groups nothing less nothing more. But I don't want to see Jesus popping up in the stations to tell me he saves.


See, now you're going right off the deepend. I told you in no uncertain terms I'm an atheist, and if I see legitimate RL religious advertising in game, you can bet I'd be the first to report it. Throw a tantrum about it on the forums and accuse CCP of endorsing it? No, that sort of thing is for hypereactionary bigots like you.

You seem to think that your experience should be the only one that matters. Let me ask you something.

If a Christian walks down the street, and sees an adult shop advertising adult toys, and complains that he doesn't want to see it, and demands it be removed, how do you think the community will react to him?

That's right, the same way we're reacting to you. Get over it. Which you will need to do if you want to keep playing the game, and make no mistake, you won't be missed.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2016-07-17 10:23:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Izi Ningishzidda wrote:

God what a narcissist.


Thought you hated God.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2016-07-17 10:27:16 UTC
Please for the love of God keep your crusade against RL ideas in RL.

Shocked

oops sorry, I didn't mean that



Everyone knows BoB is the only true path to salvation.
Izi Ningishzidda
Doomheim
#34 - 2016-07-17 10:29:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Izi Ningishzidda
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Izi Ningishzidda wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

I've had dealings with more churches than you probably even know exist, mate. I've had scientologist lawyers knocking on my door at 6am (yes, lawyers, plural) threatening me with lawsuits for articles I've written. You are making mountains out of molehills, you really are. Whatever you were a victim of, these players weren't the culprit, so actually, you need to get the **** over it, and HTFU. Play, don't play, the game is better off with hypersensitive people like you anyway, so it won't be losing anything if you leave.


I don't need to get over anything, I know exactly where I stand, and why. I don't care if Eve or other people lose anything by my leaving or not. I only care about *my* experience with the game. God what a self centered opinionated you are to think that everyone has to impress you or others to find enjoyment in the game.


You may be a godamned Mormon yourself for all I care but I would feel the exact same way if The Church of Satan was throwing their ad up in stations. Religion does not belong in game, not especially where it is as abusive and monstrous as the Latter Day Saints.

Christian special interest groups are a completely different story. They are non-specific interest groups nothing less nothing more. But I don't want to see Jesus popping up in the stations to tell me he saves.


See, now you're going right off the deepend. I told you in no uncertain terms I'm an atheist, and if I see legitimate RL religious advertising in game, you can bet I'd be the first to report it. Throw a tantrum about it on the forums and accuse CCP of endorsing it? No, that sort of thing is for hypereactionary bigots like you.

You seem to think that your experience should be the only one that matters. Let me ask you something.

If a Christian walks down the street, and sees an adult shop advertising adult toys, and complains that he doesn't want to see it, and demands it be removed, how do you think the community will react to him?

That's right, the same way we're reacting to you. Get over it. Which you will need to do if you want to keep playing the game, and make no mistake, you won't be missed.



So useless opinions, a self absorbed narcissist, last word freak, and a redpiller as well...good to know....

Here adult shops have laws governing the display of sex toys in windows, it isn't allowed. People *do* complain and businesses are blocked all the time on various grounds. NIMBY early responders are known for keeping adult shops out of certain parts of the city they don't want to see deteriorate. Displaying a big fat ad for the Mormons is a step backwards for CCP. If it's intentional then I want to know. If it's not against the EULA, I want to know, so I can stick a big billboard of Satan all over the in-station billboard advertising. So I can wardec them and torment them until they crawl back under the rock they came from. I certainly would enjoy that if nothing else. Finding out EXACTLY where CCP stands on religious opressiveness, advertising, proselytizing and subsequent retaliation has nothing to do with you or your personal life really, and as far as I can tell you're the only one being hypereactionary here.

I'm pretty sure it's against the EULA quite frankly, but what I want answered is why this was even allowed to fly. Did some ignorant GM just not realize this is a hated cult worse than ISIS in the eyes of its tortured victims? Is CCP owned by Mormons? Did some rogue GM go Mormon and slip this one under the rug?

CCP will respond or they won't - either way the only way I can make a decision is to call them out on it and see how they reply. Whether that's silence or whatever, that will say a lot more than a thousand players opinions.

That decision will have nothing to do with anything you said here, since you're pretty useless overall. I think you know that and have known it the entire time you've been replying unconstructively to this thread. I've said everything I need to say.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2016-07-17 10:29:53 UTC
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Please for the love of God keep your crusade against RL ideas in RL.

Shocked

oops sorry, I didn't mean that



Everyone knows BoB is the only true path to salvation.


BOB? What's Bob done lately.

The only true saviour is James315.

Praise James.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#36 - 2016-07-17 10:32:09 UTC
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2016-07-17 10:35:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Izi Ningishzidda wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Izi Ningishzidda wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

I've had dealings with more churches than you probably even know exist, mate. I've had scientologist lawyers knocking on my door at 6am (yes, lawyers, plural) threatening me with lawsuits for articles I've written. You are making mountains out of molehills, you really are. Whatever you were a victim of, these players weren't the culprit, so actually, you need to get the **** over it, and HTFU. Play, don't play, the game is better off with hypersensitive people like you anyway, so it won't be losing anything if you leave.


I don't need to get over anything, I know exactly where I stand, and why. I don't care if Eve or other people lose anything by my leaving or not. I only care about *my* experience with the game. God what a self centered opinionated you are to think that everyone has to impress you or others to find enjoyment in the game.


You may be a godamned Mormon yourself for all I care but I would feel the exact same way if The Church of Satan was throwing their ad up in stations. Religion does not belong in game, not especially where it is as abusive and monstrous as the Latter Day Saints.

Christian special interest groups are a completely different story. They are non-specific interest groups nothing less nothing more. But I don't want to see Jesus popping up in the stations to tell me he saves.


See, now you're going right off the deepend. I told you in no uncertain terms I'm an atheist, and if I see legitimate RL religious advertising in game, you can bet I'd be the first to report it. Throw a tantrum about it on the forums and accuse CCP of endorsing it? No, that sort of thing is for hypereactionary bigots like you.

You seem to think that your experience should be the only one that matters. Let me ask you something.

If a Christian walks down the street, and sees an adult shop advertising adult toys, and complains that he doesn't want to see it, and demands it be removed, how do you think the community will react to him?

That's right, the same way we're reacting to you. Get over it. Which you will need to do if you want to keep playing the game, and make no mistake, you won't be missed.



So useless opinions, a self absorbed narcissist, and a redpiller as well...good to know....

Here adult shops have laws governing the display of sex toys in windows, it isn't allowed. People *do* complain and businesses are blocked all the time on various grounds.

CCP will respond or they won't - either way the only way I can make a decision is to call them out on it and see how they reply. Whether that's silence or whatever, that will say a lot more than a thousand players opinions.

That decision will have nothing to do with anything you said here, since you're pretty useless overall. I've said everything I need to say.



All you've provided is opinion, too. And speculation, and just generally getting offended. Narcissist? I think you need to look up the definition of that word. I've done nothing to talk myself up. You're just hurling pejoratives because you're mad, I get it, but that's your problem, and yours alone. Redpiller? I don't even know what that is, so I'm just gonna mark it up as another angry pejorative hurled at me like a monkey hurls poop.

CCP won't care, and they'll send you a message either stating that no rules have been broken, and filing arbitrary tickets can get you in trouble, or they'll send you a generic message thanking you for the report, and informing you that privacy policy doesn't allow them to tell you what will be done, so the ticket will be closed. Then nothing will happen, because no rules are being broken, no religion is being advertised, and no on is poking you with a stick, so to speak. You're letting yourself get bent out of shape all on your own, doing it to yourself, and that, once again, is your own problem.

Your histrionics are meaningless though. Your hysterical personal problem with me for telling you how it is, is also meaningles, so if you've said everything you were going to say, first of all, thank ****. Secondly... was there a point in there somewhere or were you just sperging for its own sake?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2016-07-17 10:39:18 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:

BOB? What's Bob done lately.


I recently offered a scythe to Bob and in return, he blessed me with fat battlecruiser loot.
Bob keeps my Garmur safe when I make a pilot error but drift out of scram range.
Bob delivered me from the Proviblob and the Lokal Spaik and he even granteth us boosts.

I think I'm in love Blink
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2016-07-17 10:45:22 UTC
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

BOB? What's Bob done lately.


I recently offered a scythe to Bob and in return, he blessed me with fat battlecruiser loot.
Bob keeps my Garmur safe when I make a pilot error but drift out of scram range.
Bob delivered me from the Proviblob and the Lokal Spaik and he even granteth us boosts.

I think I'm in love Blink


James315 saved highsec

My god is better than yours

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Kateiryn Vael
Doomheim
#40 - 2016-07-17 11:03:10 UTC
You can't fix stupid.

Shocked
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