Market Discussions

Hey all. I am one of the many out there who have tried multiple times to get into EvE and for whatever reason it hasn't panned out. I've always been into the market/economy side of online games and have decided this go around I'm going to give it the good old college try.

Joined Horde as well to learn other aspects of the game and be involved with a generally good corp.

Right now I have two characters. This one, my main who is skilling up to get involved in warfare and my alt who does the market trading.

Started with 15,000,000 isk that is in my wallet from the last time I played. Buying in Jita and Selling in Dodixie. I've been reading Marketsfor Isk from the first post to the last and am taking the same strategy. Buy Low, Sell High (Duh) Low Volume High Margin.

Zero desire at this point to get into station trading .01 isk game until I have a good understanding of how things work and what does what.

I would eventually like to get involved in following the different wars/action and using that information to make my trading decisions. I suspect I am very far off from that point though.

Anyway, after buying skillbooks for my trader alt:
Broker Relations - 100k
Retail - 100k
Accounting 5mil
Contracting 150k

And finding four different items that fit my criteria for buying/selling
Another 5mil 4 items types, 16 items.

I took off for Dodixie to meet the alt. I had a minor setback. I was unaware that my trader would be charged to put up sell orders and only had approx 200k isk. So am only able to put up 2 item types, 4 items for sale.

Those two items types I purchased for (1) 2@ 44,999.01isk/ea, and (2) @989,698/ea
So on sell contracts I have 2,069,392ISK invested for a hopeful return of 7,650,000ISK.

Item 1 sells at a volume of 1-2 per day, and item 2 sells at a volume of approx 40 per day.


I guess I only have one question on all of this. What was I charged when I put my sell contracts up? Was it the 3% broker fee and 2% sales tax fee? If not what? If so, why pay taxes before sales? Is there some reasoning for this in CCPs eyes? Purely curious.

Is there somewhere that shows what this deposit amount is so that I can plan for it? Brought myself down to 500isk. Need to be better about leaving money to sell what I buy.

Another question, when cruising through Eve-Central under the price of an item it lists QTY. Is that the number of said item in that station or is that the volume in trades that station does?

You will pay brokerage and sales tax on both buy and sell orders. Currently 2% tax and 3% brokerage at NPC stations - modified by accounting and broker relations skills - can reduce tax to 1% and brokerage to 2.5%. Standings with corp/faction that owns station can further reduce brokerage to 2% - hard to get high standing for both Caldari and Gallente!

You can reduce brokerage (but not tax) for buy orders by "offshoring" place your buy orders at one of the Citadels in Perimeter or other system neighboring Jita with a range to cover the trade hub - owner of Citadel sets the brokerage fee (not modified by skills).

With your setup you may want to look into supplying fitted doctrine ships to your corp on contract. Contract has a 10K ISK broker fee regardless of the value of the ship.

So, right now I've got 9 items I'm actively selling but as of today there's someone who is onto 7 of them and has put 40qty sell orders up on all 7 for half the going price. These are items that only sell 1 or 2 a day so that really is a bummer.

Fortunately they aren't very costly to me so I'll just let them sit there and if the other 2 items I'm selling do sell(they are restocks so I have reason to believe I'm good) I'll be alright and can keep searching out new items.

43,000,000 in sell orders up. 1,000,000 isk in my wallet, I'm feeling pretty good that I will be above my 5 million initial investment tomorrow. I was at 10,000,000 in my wallet for a bit today until I jumped on some new items.

I'm looking into possibly putting my plex up for an over-collateralized loan. If I lose it all well, if it works it could be a good piece of collateral as I know plex is in a low spot right now.


We'll see. I'm really enjoying the low volume trading, I'm able to work and play the game at the same time.

Have had some really good chats with people while asking about certain scams that pop up in Jita (the quitting eve firesale one had me confused) everyone was really cool about showing me where to spot the scam (Original blue prints are infinite runs I didn't know where to locate that information from the market data page, while the seller of quitting eve sale is selling a one-five run copy)


Still waiting to hear back about my skillpoint reimbursement but am very excited to see where I end up and looking into what I'll spend them on.


I'm thinking about checking out other stations to sell in besides Dodixie. With 7 of my 9 items undercut by ALOT I can't afford to have that happen to many more times.

Thanks for the feedback Alexi,
I chose items that are low volume so I wouldn't have as much competition. I don't have time to constantly update sell orders right now. That was my main reason really. I read the marketsforisk blog and thats how he started/still does I believe.
Not to say that I'm not open to other avenues of regional trading, I'm still learning and constantly reading. I just figure if its an item that moves alot of volume its probobly an item thats got alot of competition.

On the PLEX, I agree, I would probobly make some pretty poor moves getting a loan off it right now. My thought was doing the loan would give me room to make some poor moves and not be out for the count. As it stands, a couple more wrong moves and I may be doing missions/mining OR waiting until the under cutter sells all of his items (approx 20 days if volume stays the same) and hope he doesn't decide to do it again.

Again, thanks alot for your feedback. I hope you will keep an eye on the thread. I can use all the knowledge/feedback I can get.

Wrong, wrong wrong. Ugh Low volume means a guy like me can come and wreck you up in few minutes. Initia traders should trade high volume low margin goods. Those markets are stable and big and it is hard for trade slides even for relatively big trader. Yes the high volum items are of course having loads of cmpetition but those are isk games which are irrelevant as you can skip them playing. If you want to have success you need initital capital of at least 15-25 Billion ISK to start of good. 1-2 billions are good for reconassaince. In some other post here I explained how you can trade, pretty simple and very informative.

The undercutter is doing the good job as he was waiting for price to go up. If you check price history I bet the price of the products rose and now he is just selling below the current price and above the purchase price, considering the taxanf fee costs. You have to be careful which goods to trade and check for the news on eve politics.

Please stop peddling your thinly-veiled advertisements in this and every other thread in MD, you're polluting it with your trading 'guild' scam nonsense.

So - you would say that William sitting in Jita and issuing contracts like this does not have the hallmarks of a scam? You do realise that something could very well be a scam and people just haven't fallen for it, right?

Pathetic - the scammer and his one little buddy.



OP - I apologise for disrupting your thread. Good luck, and watch out for these two o/