Player Features and Ideas Discussion

[quote=Roenok Baalnorn]...Freud's mis-fire.../quote]

Translation:
I hate zee highsec player. I no can shoot zee highsec player and force zee pvp on it. Make remove highsec. Only I playstyle of zee killing is valid.
No has other opinion. Me must force the pvp on everyone. CCP change game to force higsec player to zee pvp.


No. There are enough lifeforms out there in farmville online. Shoot the ones that shoot back.

This is Eve.

Eve is what people make of it, if you don't like how others are playing then no one is forcing you to play like them. If you don't like that others are able to play in a way that you don't like then may I suggest self actualization and just learning to tolerate that other people are different from you in general?

I dont understand the skillpoint price per day. isn't it avoidable by just not training past 10M skillpoints on the character you want to carebear in high sec with?..

Im fine with people playing in carebear land. it should just be smaller and they should suffer penalties for all the protection they enjoy. If you havent noticed, and im sure you havent as you probably been to busy with spreadsheet spaceships, High sec was never intended as a permanent home for carebears. CCP has tried to nudge people consistently over the the years out of high sec. However bears are very stubborn.

If you also havent noticed, all the updates are geared towards null players. Have you ever wondered why CCP mostly has neglected high sec in almost every single patch? Its because they dont want you in high sec. This game is designed around nullsec and playing in your sandbox and using tools to do what you want. High sec bears take this to mean using CCPs tools and protections to do some of what they want with limits. Thats not the intention. The intention is for you to live in a world controlled mostly by you and your peers, not NPCs and game mechanics.

Eve will eventually head this direction. CCP just has a strong belief in encouraging you with gentle nudges to get out of high sec rather than straight out forcing you. Im more of a rip a bandaid off kind of a guy.

Like most high bears, you have an extremely distorted view of null life based on some crappy experience another bear told you or you experienced yourself.

Ironically all that stuff you do in high sec has 0.0 counterpart...and i mean literally everything. And that counterpart pay 2-3 times more or more for doing the exact same thing. So if null was "boring" to you then either you are doing it wrong, or you are using that as an excuse to play in the kiddie pool with 10 lifeguards watching you so you dont accidentally drown in the 12 inches of water. .

Im in a pvp alliance in null. We pvp. We have bears. Those bears do not pvp. We do not force them to pvp. We know they dont like to pvp. Some will pvp if they need to defend their home, some will let us do it. We are ok with that. We are ok with them mining and ratting when we deploy. They hold the fort down, keep the lights on. They provide us with ships, mods, ammo when at home. They take care of the POSes, mine fuel for our caps, keep the reactions going and the silos empty. The ratters provide the corps with income while at home. The traders keep the market full. Our big issue is with station spinners.

We dont raise our tax rate to 100% during an op. We dont cuss, scream, and yell to get in fleet. We dont force people to log in at 3 am to do an op or get booted. We expect you to contribute. There are many ways you can contribute. Not all of them require weapons.

I know many alliances that use to not be like this. They would scream at you to get into fleet, They would threaten you, raise the tax rate to 100%, even to the point of hunting you down and shooting you themselves for ratting or mining during a fleet. Ironically most of these alliances do not exist anymore. That kind of behavior doesnt increase fleet participation, it lowers it. So those alliances died by trying to force people to play a certain way.

How is that different from this? Well because this game was designed with the intention for you play in a sandbox with few rules and regulations. The heavily regulated part of the game, high sec, is designed for newbies. And pretty much all changes to high sec are either a secondary affect of null changes or changes directly related to newbie players and sometimes people that haul stuff a lot.

Calling null players f1 monkeys immediately tells me you lack the personal experience to have a valid argument against null sec. Any time you may of spent in null was likely in a **** alliance and you shouldnt really judge an entire region or its gameplay based on a bad experience. Sure you can be an f1 monkey but only if you choose to fleet up. And you have to fleet up to be one. Once fleeted up you can choose to play as someone that doesnt do anything but fire at target when told too. But thats a choice to play that way. Its not the only way to play. Logi, cap pilots, scouts, ewar, tackle, entosis people, etc. operate fairly independently of the FC. They are far more flexible on making their own decisions than a dps pilot. A dps pilot is no different than a miner. Target, turn on mods, wait, select new target, turn on mods, wait. How is that different from mining rocks? Actually it is different because as a dps pilot you still have to make decisions. You still have to decide when to run modules, if you should try to get out or broadcast for logi help. You still have to pilot the ship. DPS pilots are like infantry. They still have to make decisions, but not a lot of decisions, as they follow their commander. Everything else are more like specialist. Logi are like medics, They stay with the group, but they take care of who needs it. Tackle you can think of like machine gun operators. They use cross fire to either suppress the enemy( read:bubbles) or to pin them down( read: point/web) . If your a drone in a fleet, its because you choose too, not because you had too.

You understand it correctly. I left ways to skirt the mechanics. You can still fly your ships through high sec at any SP, you just cant use any drones or modules( this could be changed to active modules). You can also have an alt at 9,999,999 sp and do whatever you wish in high sec without penalty. The penalty is that alt cant hit 10 mil or you get charged. So you can train alts for specific tasks in high. Just not highly skilled alts. Which is why i left the SP at 10 mil instead of higher. I intentionally want you to be able to skirt the mechanics so you can still play in high sec. Its just more limited and less appealing.

This hardly seems like you being fine with how other people are playing.

You also seem to not get that CCP have never tried to force people out of High and into Null. The game was always supposed to have variety, with people making homes anywhere in the game they choose, not being forced out of an area or a play style because *you* dislike it.



Nope. Never going to happen. Eve is all about incentives, not shoves. If you don't like it, sucks to be you.



I'm well aware, I'm also not quite the highsec bear you seem to think I am, but that's beside the point. Other people don't like Null, and that's fine by CCP and fine by me. You're the one who seems to have an issue with this idea that some people *like* staying in High Sec and don't want to be forced out to play elsewhere.

I like High, and Low, and Null, and Wormholes. Each offers something unique and different and no one should be forced out of one and into another by mechanics. Encouraged,sure, but weird artificial limits like an SP cap or something that says you can literally bankrupt your character just for failing to leave High Sec are ridiculous and very much not in the spirit of Eve.

CCP understands very well that people want choice and variety not "go this way now". If we wanted that kind of railroady experience we'd play WoW where everyone is carefully funneled to the "end game content" instead of being given so many options.

Your entire view of this game, and what it should be, is drastically (and kind of hilariously) out of alignment with reality. These "OMG CCP please wreck High Sec now" posts have been going for literally years. Why do you think CCP is going to take yours any more seriously than any of the rest?

Do you even listen to yourself? This is so insulting in every way I don't even know where to begin.

Yes, I spend my time in highsec sometimes, so what? I have 192 million skillpoints which I cannot make use of every single minute but I do make use of them.
I also pvp a lot more now. Turns out training on SiSi for many years helped in that regard. I go where I please, when I please.

You cannot do anything about it. And calling me a carebear is just an insult.

Most capsuleers are so freaking afraid of me that they vacate the system I am in or pay marmelade some 200 isk to declare are war on us to really "show us how cool blobbing is". They are the definition of FONE monkeys.

I even tried to give them a fight they couldn't win. Turns out they are very quick in leaving when they do not have enough buddies to outblobb you.

Anyhow, some folks like it in highsec and why is that a problem that needs to be solved by anyone?

Spoiler alert,
it is not a problem! Nullbears on the other side are a problem.

I don't think the OP understands the difference between a bear and a carebear

Looking back at his posting in F&I he appears to have read a book on how to alienate customers in the pursuit of increased revenue.

Sweety.... are you single? I may be falling for you!

I started in August 2013 with the intention of going to wormholes. Started game and at 1.5m sp, I went into a C5. That was an interesting experience but it showed me I was not ready for it.

So I went back to highsec and messed around, mostly mining and doing some missions. Then I decided to head to lowsec and do faction warfare. While I joined a good pvp corp (the one I am in currently), lowsec just wasn't my cup of tea.

So I went back to highsec and decided to go all out missioning. Then I found out my love of highsec wardecs. I zealously pursued my enemies with reckless abandon, and then showing them their mistakes afterwards and how to not become victims again.

After that was killed by CCP, I went back to wormholes...which I found boring. Like incursions, it was shooting at whatever the Moros was shooting at. Left that and went back to highsec.

Nullsec holds absolutely no interest with me whatsoever. I have no desire to get blobbed by a dozen bored carebears at a gate.

OP, leave my damn highsec alone. At 64m sp now, I play the game how I want to, whether it is missioning, MTU hunting or just chatting with my corpmates while ship spinning in a station. Highsec is definately stagnant, but those ideas introduced in the OP were borderline stupid.

Please tell me they weren't your idea...