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St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-01-13 05:44:14 UTC  |  Edited by: St Mio
Rythm wrote:
somehow chance of the drop depends on the speed of your salvaging.
looks like there's hidden variable which says that you cannot get more than X ribbons in Y amount of time.

I was told that if you salvage them REALLY fast, they don't get a chance to melt, and then you'll get Intact Nanoribbons! Shocked Also, this way they don't all melt together, so you get a lot more of them too!
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-01-13 08:20:33 UTC
Captain Evenwel wrote:
Just going to throw it out there and suggest that you haven't successfully attempted large-scale PI operations.

We're talking C1's and 2's if you were reading. As such is the case, perhaps you should try and understand how to maximize PI.

We make billions in our P3's and P4's. Problems is that to do that takes some serious day to day dedication. Not time, just comitment. Nobody want's to be that guy without at least a portion of contribution from others. PI is the main profit in low end WH's.


unless you're making more than a bil/hour, i'm not impressed.

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Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#23 - 2012-01-13 10:25:06 UTC
Are you talking per hour put into PI, or every hour you're running it?

20 mins of button mashing and scooping every 2 days and 30M ISK per day was what I was getting doing P2's. That's about 180M per hour of actual gaming invested in the enterprise.

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Captain Evenwel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-01-13 17:44:06 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Captain Evenwel wrote:
Just going to throw it out there and suggest that you haven't successfully attempted large-scale PI operations.

We're talking C1's and 2's if you were reading. As such is the case, perhaps you should try and understand how to maximize PI.

We make billions in our P3's and P4's. Problems is that to do that takes some serious day to day dedication. Not time, just comitment. Nobody want's to be that guy without at least a portion of contribution from others. PI is the main profit in low end WH's.


unless you're making more than a bil/hour, i'm not impressed.


Ha ha he, well I can't impress you, impress me.
Captain Evenwel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-01-13 17:54:17 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Are you talking per hour put into PI, or every hour you're running it?

20 mins of button mashing and scooping every 2 days and 30M ISK per day was what I was getting doing P2's. That's about 180M per hour of actual gaming invested in the enterprise.



No we're not talking billions per hour my friend. We run about 3 accounts from some dead mains and there alt toons. What it comes down to is a self-paid 9-toon PI harvest of 7 planets in a C2. The numbers aren't really mine as I don't lead the PI, but to make a rough speculation we're making essentially 60-70 mil a day with bare minimum effort (as there is indeed way too much button mashing). The prayer is that it will either become simplified or prices will go up with Dust wars.

Not sure what "...180M per hour of actual gaming invested..." means. Are talking Opp. costs? And just for the sake of thread clarification where do you operate?
Captain Evenwel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-01-13 17:55:54 UTC
Again fellas, I'm not feeling it's a dry spot. We really are making nothing. Just did 2 radars and 6 combats: 1 nano.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-01-13 20:17:13 UTC
Captain Evenwel wrote:
Trinkets friend wrote:
Are you talking per hour put into PI, or every hour you're running it?

20 mins of button mashing and scooping every 2 days and 30M ISK per day was what I was getting doing P2's. That's about 180M per hour of actual gaming invested in the enterprise.



No we're not talking billions per hour my friend. We run about 3 accounts from some dead mains and there alt toons. What it comes down to is a self-paid 9-toon PI harvest of 7 planets in a C2. The numbers aren't really mine as I don't lead the PI, but to make a rough speculation we're making essentially 60-70 mil a day with bare minimum effort (as there is indeed way too much button mashing). The prayer is that it will either become simplified or prices will go up with Dust wars.

Not sure what "...180M per hour of actual gaming invested..." means. Are talking Opp. costs? And just for the sake of thread clarification where do you operate?



60-70mil/day isnt enough to make me even boot up eve if im after isk...
when you consider you can very easily make 10+ bil each in a weekend running high end combat sites with 2-3 people with the right characters, any amount of isk youre going to make doing PI becomes trivial to the point of being a total waste of time.

hell, even running incursions at 100mil+ per hour per character makes running PI for profit a joke.
only reason anyone should be running PI in a WH is to not have to haul in fuel from hisec.

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1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-01-15 03:31:26 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Captain Evenwel wrote:
Trinkets friend wrote:
Are you talking per hour put into PI, or every hour you're running it?

20 mins of button mashing and scooping every 2 days and 30M ISK per day was what I was getting doing P2's. That's about 180M per hour of actual gaming invested in the enterprise.



No we're not talking billions per hour my friend. We run about 3 accounts from some dead mains and there alt toons. What it comes down to is a self-paid 9-toon PI harvest of 7 planets in a C2. The numbers aren't really mine as I don't lead the PI, but to make a rough speculation we're making essentially 60-70 mil a day with bare minimum effort (as there is indeed way too much button mashing). The prayer is that it will either become simplified or prices will go up with Dust wars.

Not sure what "...180M per hour of actual gaming invested..." means. Are talking Opp. costs? And just for the sake of thread clarification where do you operate?



60-70mil/day isnt enough to make me even boot up eve if im after isk...
when you consider you can very easily make 10+ bil each in a weekend running high end combat sites with 2-3 people with the right characters, any amount of isk youre going to make doing PI becomes trivial to the point of being a total waste of time.

hell, even running incursions at 100mil+ per hour per character makes running PI for profit a joke.
only reason anyone should be running PI in a WH is to not have to haul in fuel from hisec.

Yea but if that 60-70m/day comes with only 30 minutes of work each/day, I'd way rather be doing that over 30 minutes of incursions
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Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#29 - 2012-01-15 06:14:08 UTC
Captain Evenwel wrote:


Not sure what "...180M per hour of actual gaming invested..." means. Are talking Opp. costs? And just for the sake of thread clarification where do you operate?


I mean, every 6 days I have spent an hour doing PI (usually when the static is dead and we're waiting out jump timers and probing the new static) which is, to whit, 20 mins day 0, 20 mins day 2, 20 mins day 4. Thus, over the course of 6 days (3 cycles) I have spent 60 minutes on PI, and made 180M.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-01-15 06:44:23 UTC
Captain Evenwel wrote:
Again fellas, I'm not feeling it's a dry spot. We really are making nothing. Just did 2 radars and 6 combats: 1 nano.


Face it, it is a dry spot. I've been in a C1 now and see the same sort of thing. I have gone for long stretches with no ribbons and then suddenly i'll get some dinky C1 site give up 11 ribbons at once.

Jack Miton wrote:
60-70mil/day isnt enough to make me even boot up eve if im after isk...
when you consider you can very easily make 10+ bil each in a weekend running high end combat sites with 2-3 people with the right characters, any amount of isk youre going to make doing PI becomes trivial to the point of being a total waste of time.

hell, even running incursions at 100mil+ per hour per character makes running PI for profit a joke.
only reason anyone should be running PI in a WH is to not have to haul in fuel from hisec.


Yes Jack, your e-peen is beter than the rest of us. I'm sure you would tell me to move up to a real WH. I'd say, I moved into a C1 when I had been playing all of 5 months. From that point on (Been in here since around september) I've been pulling in 3-3.5bil a month for very little playtime. A large part of that is PI.

Now yes, if i were a 3+ year old toon such as yourself, this would be a pittance. But for a character that doesnt even fly anything shiny enough for incursions, it's pretty good.

Sure, once I reach a level where I could fly in a C4+ I probably wouldnt care about the PI isk.

TLDR- It's all relative.

1-Up Mushroom wrote:
Yea but if that 60-70m/day comes with only 30 minutes of work each/day, I'd way rather be doing that over 30 minutes of incursions


That even seems high. I spend maybe 30min every 4 days restarting my planets. The rest of the time it is just log in, export/import.
Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-01-16 00:55:42 UTC
Like they said random.


I just cleared a C1 this morning 10 sites and got 40 ribbons (Average of about 4 per site). That's pretty typical of what I've seen over the last 6 C1s I've cleared out.

If you can make the leap to C3s you may find that you'll be pulling in a little more ISK/hr because you're not so susceptible to poor nanoribbon drops.

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Akyla Dey
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-01-16 01:17:28 UTC
Two hours in a random C1 last night netted about 300mil worth of loot (36 ribbons over 7 sites - 5 anoms, 2 radars). It's a dry spell. It'll break eventually.
Tulo'stenaloor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-01-17 21:11:00 UTC
I do hope it is a dry spell. I has seemed to be going for seven weeks now.

I make around 200 mil ISK per day with about 1 hr of PI work in a C2. Planets are set to two day cycles, but I try to hit them every day. Average around 6 billion ISK a month doing PI and the occational combat site. More if I get some grav and ladar sites.

I look forward to making 1 billion an hour, however that does not line up with my 6 months of skill points. (Just cracked the 12 million s.p. mark)
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-01-19 01:39:13 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:

Yes Jack, your e-peen is beter than the rest of us. I'm sure you would tell me to move up to a real WH. I'd say, I moved into a C1 when I had been playing all of 5 months. From that point on (Been in here since around september) I've been pulling in 3-3.5bil a month for very little playtime. A large part of that is PI.

Now yes, if i were a 3+ year old toon such as yourself, this would be a pittance. But for a character that doesnt even fly anything shiny enough for incursions, it's pretty good.

Sure, once I reach a level where I could fly in a C4+ I probably wouldnt care about the PI isk.
.


you can run c4's easily, it just takes some time to figure out the fleets (or an hour forum research). However, for what jack is doing you need to fly capitals on multiply accounts at the same time. that said.......his e-Peen is massive indeed!.

making money in wh space is about your static connection, providing infinite money. want more? get a c2-c4 static wormhole and collapse when it runs dry. you dont have to make 10b a weekend, after a few b you stop doing that anyway.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-01-19 02:49:31 UTC
Hathrul wrote:
you can run c4's easily, it just takes some time to figure out the fleets (or an hour forum research). However, for what jack is doing you need to fly capitals on multiply accounts at the same time. that said.......his e-Peen is massive indeed!.

making money in wh space is about your static connection, providing infinite money. want more? get a c2-c4 static wormhole and collapse when it runs dry. you dont have to make 10b a weekend, after a few b you stop doing that anyway.



Yes I am closer now. But when I first dove into a WH the only combat ships I had for a C1 was a myrm and t1 fit drake. Yes now I have 2 tengu pilots so I can (and probably will be ) upgrading at some point.

My main point being that not everyone in EVE, living in WH's is at the level where they can fly caps, and run in C5+ wormholes. But they can still make good isk, especially if they do more than just farm the sites.
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-01-20 11:51:32 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Hathrul wrote:
you can run c4's easily, it just takes some time to figure out the fleets (or an hour forum research). However, for what jack is doing you need to fly capitals on multiply accounts at the same time. that said.......his e-Peen is massive indeed!.

making money in wh space is about your static connection, providing infinite money. want more? get a c2-c4 static wormhole and collapse when it runs dry. you dont have to make 10b a weekend, after a few b you stop doing that anyway.



Yes I am closer now. But when I first dove into a WH the only combat ships I had for a C1 was a myrm and t1 fit drake. Yes now I have 2 tengu pilots so I can (and probably will be ) upgrading at some point.

My main point being that not everyone in EVE, living in WH's is at the level where they can fly caps, and run in C5+ wormholes. But they can still make good isk, especially if they do more than just farm the sites.


you can use tengu's and therefor do any class

class 3: 1
class 4: 3
class 5: 5
class 6: 7
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-01-22 22:55:38 UTC
Hathrul wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Hathrul wrote:
you can run c4's easily, it just takes some time to figure out the fleets (or an hour forum research). However, for what jack is doing you need to fly capitals on multiply accounts at the same time. that said.......his e-Peen is massive indeed!.

making money in wh space is about your static connection, providing infinite money. want more? get a c2-c4 static wormhole and collapse when it runs dry. you dont have to make 10b a weekend, after a few b you stop doing that anyway.



Yes I am closer now. But when I first dove into a WH the only combat ships I had for a C1 was a myrm and t1 fit drake. Yes now I have 2 tengu pilots so I can (and probably will be ) upgrading at some point.

My main point being that not everyone in EVE, living in WH's is at the level where they can fly caps, and run in C5+ wormholes. But they can still make good isk, especially if they do more than just farm the sites.


you can use tengu's and therefor do any class

class 3: 1
class 4: 3
class 5: 5
class 6: 7



So basically I just need to find more friends. \o/
Obax Bannon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-01-23 12:27:59 UTC
Captain Evenwel wrote:
Again fellas, I'm not feeling it's a dry spot. We really are making nothing. Just did 2 radars and 6 combats: 1 nano.


I would also second this.
And yes I am well aware of the general train of thought about how spawns work in wormholes before anyone asks that.

We have lived in our current hole for around 8 months now and in wh-space for alot longer than that.
The combat sites have all but dried up, maybe getting 2-3 sites/week at the moment.
This appears to be the case in alot of holes that we get connects to also.

We recently had a connection to a C4 hole.....on eveeye no activity in the hole for almost 10 days
and only 7 combats in the system.

The fact that ribbons have also gone up by around 2 mill in a short space of time might also hint at less
actually coming out of wh space in general.

Anyone else finding this type of thing happening ?
Maybe things will get better again after the patch tomorrow...who knows
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-01-23 13:46:08 UTC
Obax Bannon wrote:
Captain Evenwel wrote:
Again fellas, I'm not feeling it's a dry spot. We really are making nothing. Just did 2 radars and 6 combats: 1 nano.


I would also second this.
And yes I am well aware of the general train of thought about how spawns work in wormholes before anyone asks that.

We have lived in our current hole for around 8 months now and in wh-space for alot longer than that.
The combat sites have all but dried up, maybe getting 2-3 sites/week at the moment.
This appears to be the case in alot of holes that we get connects to also.

We recently had a connection to a C4 hole.....on eveeye no activity in the hole for almost 10 days
and only 7 combats in the system.

The fact that ribbons have also gone up by around 2 mill in a short space of time might also hint at less
actually coming out of wh space in general.

Anyone else finding this type of thing happening ?
Maybe things will get better again after the patch tomorrow...who knows



I can say that since this thread started, I have kept a close eye on site spawns and ribbon drops. The overal average is on par with what I have seen in the last 5 months.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#40 - 2012-01-23 14:15:10 UTC
Nanoribbons per wreck (and by extension, per site) is random. Random is random.

Now, the number of complete sites you get spawning in your WH per hour/day/week/month is entirely dependent on someone else doing them, somewhere else in that wormhole constellation.

If you couple this with the nanoribbon prices themselves, you come to one conclusion: people are not running as many sleeper sites.

And why would you? Capital escalation aside, you earn more per hour in a highsec Incursion.

WH space is very, very, very quiet since Incursions came around.

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