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Jovian Protocol

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Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#21 - 2016-07-13 08:37:02 UTC
The fastest way to Jovian trade is Jovian mirth. They are prone to chemical imbalances. It is something in their gene composite that has evolved through their life spans. Being that they might be the indigenous sentience using your technology to secure their bastions would be most appreciated. Using thier technology to see their space safe for would further their delicate senses for survival.
Yarosara Ruil
#22 - 2016-07-13 08:43:32 UTC
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
The fastest way to Jovian trade is Jovian mirth. They are prone to chemical imbalances. It is something in their gene composite that has evolved through their life spans. Being that they might be the indigenous sentience using your technology to secure their bastions would be most appreciated. Using thier technology to see their space safe for would further their delicate senses for survival.


Anyone starting to get the feeling Mister Ephesianos is actually a Jovian on his last legs against his battle his Jovian disease, and is so plagued by the effects of the disease that all his thoughts are reduced to incoherent rambling?


Just me then? Okay!
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#23 - 2016-07-13 09:01:23 UTC
Interesting fact: When I was fighting in the Trials, our location was kept classified, for obvious reasons. The deadpsace pocket combined with the electronic security that spoofed the pod's firmware caused my navigation computer to think I was in Jove space.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2016-07-13 14:50:03 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Slayer Liberator wrote:
Now I need to touch them


If you do, I'm going to get Jason Galente to massage you with vegetable oil. Which will leave you confused about a great many things.

PSYCH !

I have wall mounted blaster cannons around my quarters and 15 bodyguards around me at all times he can try but he will fail
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2016-07-13 14:53:02 UTC
Yarosara Ruil wrote:
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
The fastest way to Jovian trade is Jovian mirth. They are prone to chemical imbalances. It is something in their gene composite that has evolved through their life spans. Being that they might be the indigenous sentience using your technology to secure their bastions would be most appreciated. Using thier technology to see their space safe for would further their delicate senses for survival.


Anyone starting to get the feeling Mister Ephesianos is actually a Jovian on his last legs against his battle his Jovian disease, and is so plagued by the effects of the disease that all his thoughts are reduced to incoherent rambling?


Just me then? Okay!

Not just you I agree
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#26 - 2016-07-13 21:14:09 UTC
The Society approves of the general aims of this proposal and recommends the arrangement of a commission, as previously recommended, to formulate the specific points of a protocol and diplomatic agreement or, perhaps, a mailing exchange between all interested parties where a formal accord can be drafted following a discussion of the relevant points and concerns.

SFRIM would look very much forward to participating.

"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#27 - 2016-07-14 04:58:06 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I expect we'll execute our standard "Let someone else get the stuff out of wherever it is and take it off THEM" protocol. it's by far the most cost effective strategy.,

That's what I could expect from scoundrels like Makoto Priano or guristas, but not from you, Mr. Tuulinen.

IMHO this is the reason why capsuleers must be prohibited from entering Jove space, and it shall be solved by CONCORD, or at least the State, since we were their most trustworthy allies. Amarr Empire is honorable as well and could be trusted with this task, but, unfortunately, they have mutual animosity and an armed conflict might be sparkled from simple misunderstanding.

Gallenteans? They should be definitely kept out from this, or they would come stomping poor surviving Jovians, coercing them into democracy and filth like that.

Minmatars?... Well, their ships will far apart even half way there, so they aren't an option in any case.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#28 - 2016-07-14 07:35:16 UTC
Glad to see such enthusiasm for this project!

I remain of the mind that we should use this as a hypothetical to establish a framework for cooperative exploration/colonization ventures, because so many variables exist. For instance, what if we find some means of passage to UUA-F4? Or the Jove Empire proper? What if there are still Jove existent in that space? Or if we find it infested or in the process of being infested by rogue drones, or Drifters, or another threat? What if the next area of space we find is through the topological defects in shattered systems' Epicenters?

There remain many questions, and many issues pertaining to duration of mission, mass limits, availability of clonestock or infrastructure, duration and availability of transit points, and the rest.

Generally, I think we have some interesting ideas so far, and I'd love to explore them all further with you all.

As both the Signal Cartel and the Society are part of the greater ARC community, may I invite you all to join us in the neocom channel Arataka Communications Router for further discussion and planning? Coordinator Lagann has taken the step to formalizing this channel for public use, so that we can discuss in another forum the particulars of operations, research, and, well, whatever comes to an explorer's mind.

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Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2016-07-14 16:18:59 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I expect we'll execute our standard "Let someone else get the stuff out of wherever it is and take it off THEM" protocol. it's by far the most cost effective strategy.,

That's what I could expect from scoundrels like Makoto Priano or guristas, but not from you, Mr. Tuulinen.

IMHO this is the reason why capsuleers must be prohibited from entering Jove space, and it shall be solved by CONCORD, or at least the State, since we were their most trustworthy allies. Amarr Empire is honorable as well and could be trusted with this task, but, unfortunately, they have mutual animosity and an armed conflict might be sparkled from simple misunderstanding.

Gallenteans? They should be definitely kept out from this, or they would come stomping poor surviving Jovians, coercing them into democracy and filth like that.

Minmatars?... Well, their ships will far apart even half way there, so they aren't an option in any case.

Your inherent bias is so evident then I don't even need to point it out
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2016-07-14 16:23:32 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Glad to see such enthusiasm for this project!

I remain of the mind that we should use this as a hypothetical to establish a framework for cooperative exploration/colonization ventures, because so many variables exist. For instance, what if we find some means of passage to UUA-F4? Or the Jove Empire proper? What if there are still Jove existent in that space? Or if we find it infested or in the process of being infested by rogue drones, or Drifters, or another threat? What if the next area of space we find is through the topological defects in shattered systems' Epicenters?

There remain many questions, and many issues pertaining to duration of mission, mass limits, availability of clonestock or infrastructure, duration and availability of transit points, and the rest.

Generally, I think we have some interesting ideas so far, and I'd love to explore them all further with you all.

As both the Signal Cartel and the Society are part of the greater ARC community, may I invite you all to join us in the neocom channel Arataka Communications Router for further discussion and planning? Coordinator Lagann has taken the step to formalizing this channel for public use, so that we can discuss in another forum the particulars of operations, research, and, well, whatever comes to an explorer's mind.

Even if you see drifters they may not be aggressive and we should try the diplomatic approach first then have a fleet if that doesn't work
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#31 - 2016-07-14 16:28:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Morwen Lagann
People tried the diplomatic approach with the Drifters.

They pretty clearly are either uninterested in or incapable of any form of communication at this point, short of exchanging weapons fire.

And we do know from autopsies that they actually are incapable of verbal communication. Doesn't exclude other methods but given they haven't responded to any attempts thus far... I think the time for talking may have long passed.

Tyrathlion Interstellar obviously supports this initiative, both as its own entity, and as a member of ARC.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2016-07-14 17:13:28 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
People tried the diplomatic approach with the Drifters.

They pretty clearly are either uninterested in or incapable of any form of communication at this point, short of exchanging weapons fire.

And we do know from autopsies that they actually are incapable of verbal communication. Doesn't exclude other methods but given they haven't responded to any attempts thus far... I think the time for talking may have long passed.

Tyrathlion Interstellar obviously supports this initiative, both as its own entity, and as a member of ARC.

Well good to know
Mark726
Project Compass Holdings
#33 - 2016-07-14 20:40:05 UTC
I'm gratified to see so many people interested in coming to an agreement of some kind, and I sincerely appreciate the various offers of support on the subject. For many reasons, this is clearly somewhat of a delicate subject, and I'm happy that there is at least a broad consensus for an agreement, even if the details need to be worked out.

I fully understand and appreciate the reticence some have voiced, as well as their concerns. The decision to take part in a Jovian exploration team is not one I make lightly, and I have little doubt that the broader New Eden gaining full access to Jovian tech would roil an already chaotic cluster. However, i would much rather the technology fall into all hands than fall into solely the wrong ones. Sansha Kuvakei has shown us the dangers of allowing a limited few to get their hands on advanced technology. Also, I should be clear that I am not advocating for an overt attempt to breach Jovian space, but if the opportunity presents itself, I think we should be ready to respond.

I appreciate ARC's offer to lead the discussions on this issue, especially since I may not be the most logical leader for this sort of discussion. I merely wanted to get the ball rolling. Thank you all again for the support, and I look forward to seeing what kind of agreement we can reach.
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#34 - 2016-07-14 22:43:20 UTC
Mark726 wrote:
Also, I should be clear that I am not advocating for an overt attempt to breach Jovian space, but if the opportunity presents itself, I think we should be ready to respond.
Hmm. Well, if it wasn't for you writing this, I might have suspected differently...in a (slightly) stronger way. Especially after reading the first few posts and the response (or lack thereof) to those with concerns similar to mine.

Some of my thoughts on some of these posts:
Mark726 wrote:
Depending on how we gain access to Jovian space (should it ever occur), it seems unlikely that CONCORD (or the Jovian heirs apparent, the Society of Conscious Thought) will be pleased at the prospect of the Empyrean community gaining access to Jovian technology, especially considering that CONCORD's primary overwatch capabilities to our community derive from Jovian technology and I doubt they relish the idea of losing that advantage. Steps may need to be taken to ensure that they cannot interfere with our research.
Uhm...ok? Or actually, no.
For some reason, this reminds me of those ships marked very explicitly with "Research" while their crews are broadcasting, to a ridiculous extend, to anyone observing their "research" that they are "doing science", while it is obvious to most of us that the ships are actually abusing laws concerning scientific study to acquire valuable biological resources.
Markus Vulpine wrote:
I would argue that this is hardly an invasion. [..] We do, however, recognize that we have lost communication with our neighbors and we have clear evidence of a cataclysmic event within their space (Caroline's Star). While we do not have a "right" nor a "mandate" to penetrate Jove space to determine the state of their empire, we have vested interest in their welfare as co-occupants of the Cluster and should respond to evaluate their welfare.
Lost communication? We, as independent capsuleers, have never really had any communication with the directorate, as far as I know. But CONCORD Inner Circle President Seri Okonaya stated in March: "The Society of Conscious Thought has been in regular contact with representatives of the Jovian Directorate[..]"
So maybe we should give the SOCT a call to evaluate their welfare before we enter the Jovian home uninvited. In fact, I just might alert them to some aspects of this "scientific research planning" myself.
Morwen Lagann wrote:
People tried the diplomatic approach with the Drifters.[..] I think the time for talking may have long passed.
The SOCT is more hopeful:
Mentor Raish wrote:
[..] the Society hopes to assist with efforts to resolve the conflict with the entities New Eden knows as the 'Drifters'. We believe that a basis of mutual understanding can be achieved.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#35 - 2016-07-14 22:55:03 UTC
Mr. Biko, with respect, the Society's statement has not in any way or shape been followed up on by the Society. We even had a brief moratorium on operations to provide the Society additional time to clarify that statement.

Unfortunately, it seems that the statement must be read as an off-the-cuff remark, which is not a focus of the Society.

As much as a peaceful resolution to the Drifter conflict would be ideal, there is a significant burden in blood and threat that the Drifters would need to provide adequate recompense for before peace is practicable at this time.

The Society must surely know this.

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Nitshe Razvedka
#36 - 2016-07-15 08:07:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Nitshe Razvedka
You talk of exploring Jovian space and diplomatic missions, why don't you just talk to one about a visit.

Jovians receive their name from the Latin Jupiter or more specifically "jovial". Where better to find these "jovial" characters than Milliways. They seem to relish in a side of Amiglion Major Cow and enjoy a tipple of Aldebaran liqueurs.

How do I get to Milliways you say?

Good question.

I was salvaging an odd ship in the shape of a boot near Tama, ( not Gallente ) whilst hosing out the interior I thought I could get the engine running again rather than selling for scrap. Mounted in the rear was an experimental improbability drive, a little tinkering with my fist lit the ignition panel up. The ship 'Heart of Gold' auto-piloted to the Restaurant at the end of the Universe on our maiden voyage.

You would be amazed at the characters who dine at Milliways, but that is another story.



Jovians you want - Milliways the place. Big smileStraight

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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#37 - 2016-07-15 08:44:58 UTC
I think we'll be keeping our discussions, agreements, and planning firmly planted in the grounds of observable reality, and not popular fiction, thanks.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Nitshe Razvedka
#38 - 2016-07-15 09:06:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Nitshe Razvedka
Morwen Lagann wrote:
I think we'll be keeping our discussions, agreements, and planning firmly planted in the grounds of observable reality, and not popular fiction, thanks.


Fiction?! I may be a swashbuckling hero and poet to many, but I'm no fantasist!Sad

The story is as true as my handsome portrait.

I'd ask you to kindly retract those slanderous comments young lady, before feelings are hurt irrevocably, namely my feelings.





Fiction indeed...huh!

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Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.

Lord-of-Right- Hand-Path
Doomheim
#39 - 2016-07-20 00:48:11 UTC
Fiction within fiction, inceptionesque.
darkezero
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#40 - 2016-07-22 04:01:27 UTC
A bit late to the party, but I wholeheartedly support invading Jove space in a cooperative venture to seek more questions in need of answers, and for science.
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