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Loyalty point transfer system would be great.
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Pushwagner
Doomheim
#1 - 2016-07-12 09:36:19 UTC

LP transfer system, a way of trading LP or transfering it between your own toons (for a minimal fee ofc)

Alot of players play With two or more characters. Wether you rat in null, do incursions, missions etc. Your LP gets shared between Your characters, and it can be non conveniant when you want to cash this LP out. A system for sharing and selling LP would be a vast improvment for many players.
Raging Bull Unchained
Cryonic Origin
Cryonic Origin Alliance
#2 - 2016-07-12 09:38:11 UTC
So you grind your LP all alone in NULL and transfer it right to highsec?

Erm... NO?
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#3 - 2016-07-12 11:41:53 UTC
Nope to lp trading.

Yep to lp corp tax.

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afk phone
Repo Industries
#4 - 2016-07-12 15:14:19 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Nope to lp trading.

Yep to lp corp tax.



The corp can already tax LP. Tax them when the wonk the NPC - take it off the bounties.

Are you looking to be able to tax them twice?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2016-07-12 16:35:20 UTC
Arguing for allowing LP transfer or keeping them locked to a character is equally silly since in both case, it's all made moot because we have jump-clones.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#6 - 2016-07-12 17:06:16 UTC
Pushwagner wrote:
...Alot of players play With two or more characters....


And a lot of them don't.

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#7 - 2016-07-12 17:28:17 UTC
afk phone wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Nope to lp trading.

Yep to lp corp tax.



The corp can already tax LP. Tax them when the wonk the NPC - take it off the bounties.

Are you looking to be able to tax them twice?


Thats not lp.

Am i looking to tax them twice? That's cute.

Pooling lp can be useful, clearly. if players in a corp consent to being taxed, because no one can force them to stay in corp, then what would be your problem?

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Maria Dragoon
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2016-07-13 01:31:20 UTC
I already have the ability to trade LP.... *Sells a faction battleship* :)

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#9 - 2016-07-13 04:44:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Nevyn Auscent
Daichi Yamato wrote:

Thats not lp.

Am i looking to tax them twice? That's cute.

Pooling lp can be useful, clearly. if players in a corp consent to being taxed, because no one can force them to stay in corp, then what would be your problem?

Are you proposing an opt in system then?
Because 'Do what I tell you or you will get kicked' is not consent. It's Blackmail. Sure we can argue over how serious it is when it's over internet pixels, but it's still blackmail.

Though I'm not against an opt in system. It does make some sense to me that the corp might get a small measure of respect from the NPC group when their members are constantly helping said NPC group.
unidenify
Deaf Armada
#10 - 2016-07-13 04:52:00 UTC
I disagree about transfer LP to other player, but what I want to see is able to convert my LP from one corp to other corp because it is annoying to have several bunch random Corp with less than 1K LP
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#11 - 2016-07-13 04:54:36 UTC
unidenify wrote:
I disagree about transfer LP to other player, but what I want to see is able to convert my LP from one corp to other corp because it is annoying to have several bunch random Corp with less than 1K LP

That would be best solved by changing LP from being corp specific to being more faction based, but you need certain corp standings to get each item.
So you wouldn't have Caldari Navy LP anymore, you would have Caldari LP but you need a 3.0 standing to get x item, 5.0 to get y, and 9.0 to get z item.
But that's not quite as immersive
unidenify
Deaf Armada
#12 - 2016-07-13 04:57:55 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
unidenify wrote:
I disagree about transfer LP to other player, but what I want to see is able to convert my LP from one corp to other corp because it is annoying to have several bunch random Corp with less than 1K LP

That would be best solved by changing LP from being corp specific to being more faction based, but you need certain corp standings to get each item.
So you wouldn't have Caldari Navy LP anymore, you would have Caldari LP but you need a 3.0 standing to get x item, 5.0 to get y, and 9.0 to get z item.
But that's not quite as immersive


actual, that would work better because people would not have to restrict themselves to certain corp for specific modules.
Iain Cariaba
#13 - 2016-07-13 05:12:40 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
unidenify wrote:
I disagree about transfer LP to other player, but what I want to see is able to convert my LP from one corp to other corp because it is annoying to have several bunch random Corp with less than 1K LP

That would be best solved by changing LP from being corp specific to being more faction based, but you need certain corp standings to get each item.
So you wouldn't have Caldari Navy LP anymore, you would have Caldari LP but you need a 3.0 standing to get x item, 5.0 to get y, and 9.0 to get z item.
But that's not quite as immersive

Actually, I kinda like this. Gives mission running highsec corps the option to relocate in the event of wardec, rather than dissolve corp, and returns a reason to have faction standings higher than 5.0.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#14 - 2016-07-13 07:10:44 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:

Actually, I kinda like this. Gives mission running highsec corps the option to relocate in the event of wardec, rather than dissolve corp, and returns a reason to have faction standings higher than 5.0.

Oh it's got a bunch of pro's, just con's also related to the logic side.
I was meaning corp standing in my above, but I guess like everything faction standing could stand in for corp standing also.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#15 - 2016-07-13 09:17:44 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:

Thats not lp.

Am i looking to tax them twice? That's cute.

Pooling lp can be useful, clearly. if players in a corp consent to being taxed, because no one can force them to stay in corp, then what would be your problem?

Are you proposing an opt in system then?
Because 'Do what I tell you or you will get kicked' is not consent. It's Blackmail. Sure we can argue over how serious it is when it's over internet pixels, but it's still blackmail.

Though I'm not against an opt in system. It does make some sense to me that the corp might get a small measure of respect from the NPC group when their members are constantly helping said NPC group.


Lol what?
Corp sets the tax they feel is right. Players can choose to come and go as they please. Who's getting black mailed or even kicked?

Are you talking about CTA's? Because that's a different matter.

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#16 - 2016-07-13 12:59:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Donnachadh
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Arguing for allowing LP transfer or keeping them locked to a character is equally silly since in both case, it's all made moot because we have jump-clones.

What does jump clones have to do with trading LP between different characters.

Now back to the OP, I do not care about this either way but the idea of taxing LP at the corp level has me thinking and as they say inquiring minds want to know.

Would you set this up as a resource pool in the same way that the corp wallet is?

Would the same people that have control of the corp wallet have control of the LP?

Considering that the LP trade in is at the character level with no provisions for it at a corp level how would you handle that required change?

Do we really need an LP tax at the corp level when as a CEO or director you can always raise the tax rate if you think you are not getting enough out of your members.

Would taxing LP really work anyway this being a game of alts and all that. But then because alts does a corp tax of any kind really work out that well? It always seemed to me that the only players that end up paying a corp tax on anything are those that have just one character on a single account or those who have no idea of how to bypass the system.

How is this not a double taxation thing? You tax them when they earn the LP by taking part of it, and then you tax them again when they sell the items they bough with their LP, sounds like a double taxation thing to me.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#17 - 2016-07-13 13:22:49 UTC
@ donna

- Resource pool yup.
- Could be handled with same roles as corp wallet or new ones. Doesn't much matter which.
- Handled the same way as taxing mission rewards.
- Do we need it? About as much as isk and mineral tax. The advantage is in the pooling which everyone clearly believes is desirable. (i.e. corp gets access to high end lp items sooner)
- Alts using this feature to make one pool for all their lp is again a different matter. Its not really an issue, the work still has to be done.
- It is double taxation, as if that is somehow a new thing or even a problem. People have their refined ore taxed, they have their pi taxed, then when they combine the two in industry they are taxed again, then when they sell the product on the market they are taxed yet again, twice. The average player is taxed many more times than twice.

At the end of the day the amount of times you are taxed is irrelevant. Only the total amount at the end matters. E.g. A corp can tax you 90% isk but 0% lp, another corp taxes 5% isk and 5% lp. Are you suggesting the latter is worse because it taxes you twice??

Thats why its cute.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2016-07-13 13:55:21 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Arguing for allowing LP transfer or keeping them locked to a character is equally silly since in both case, it's all made moot because we have jump-clones.

What does jump clones have to do with trading LP between different characters.



Why are we arguing trading LP when you can use whatever character you have the LP on and just use them with this character by jump-cloning to the required station? That's my point. Why would someone need to transfer his LP from character X to character Y when he can just use the LP with character X and then transfer the acquired resource to character Y with systems already implemented?

Please note that this argument was targeted at the OP whose idea was to transfer between his own character.
Persephone IX
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2016-07-13 14:22:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Persephone IX
Unless the op is talking about using some sort of LP extractor and selling them directly on the market (example 500isk per lp or the fair price that will be agreed by the market), I don't see a reason why such a transfer should be implemented.

As for the direct sale of lps, It follows the logic of skill extractors, some ppl have the money to buy skills instead of skilling, likewise some people might have the tags but not the lps or access to an lp store due to standings, to buy certain faction items of their choosing. Also, at some point CCP will get rid of attribute implants, and those make up for a large chunk of lps traded.

I think LPs should be traded, it will open up options, people will make money, and take care of obstacles such as "standings". Its an indirect transfer.

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