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Oversized AB's

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Morgan North
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#1 - 2016-07-12 12:35:54 UTC
Like the title, but my question is, why? I've been seeing several fits using these, but I've yet to understand why this has become to mainstream in the past few years?
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#2 - 2016-07-12 12:41:23 UTC
speed tanking is a thing

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3 - 2016-07-12 12:45:12 UTC
Also good gtfo option, you are a good deal harder to hold still.
Morgan North
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#4 - 2016-07-12 12:47:38 UTC
Speed tanking is great, if you can turn. Usually not so much with a oversized prop. And as for getting out, wouldn't that be solved with increasing the afterburner velocity bonus? Perhaps its a time to make the afterburner for the proper size, better?
Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing Yi
#5 - 2016-07-12 12:48:49 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
speed tanking is a thing

It's a fun thing.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#6 - 2016-07-12 12:53:32 UTC
Morgan North wrote:
Speed tanking is great, if you can turn. Usually not so much with a oversized prop. And as for getting out, wouldn't that be solved with increasing the afterburner velocity bonus? Perhaps its a time to make the afterburner for the proper size, better?


usually makes things easier with a nanofibre fitted Big smile

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
#7 - 2016-07-12 13:31:54 UTC
Came expecting a discussion on cup sizes. Left wondering where everyone's imaginations went.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#8 - 2016-07-12 13:33:50 UTC
Morgan North wrote:
Speed tanking is great, if you can turn. Usually not so much with a oversized prop. And as for getting out, wouldn't that be solved with increasing the afterburner velocity bonus?

it is what it is, some love it (i do) diferant style of flying.
sure that would "fix it" but going with an oversize ab has its ups and downs,
its one of those things you have to make a lot of compromise for and rightly so in my mind so i dont think it needs fixing per-say.
it only becomes problematic when we figure out a ship that allows for it without enough compromises i.e. pre-nerf confessor.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#9 - 2016-07-12 13:45:08 UTC
i have 2 orthrus, one with oversized a/b and the other with mwd + asb, i just love shield repping ships so tend to fly the asb version more but the 100mn is still pretty damn good

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#10 - 2016-07-12 13:51:49 UTC
iv had a ham legion for like 3 years with a 100mn ab on it, still going.
Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#11 - 2016-07-12 13:53:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Shallanna Yassavi
Sustrai Aditua wrote:
Came expecting a discussion on cup sizes. Left wondering where everyone's imaginations went.

I think they got squashed into the chestplate of that SoE armor.

As for the OP, it's like an MWD speed boost without sig bloom, but it makes your ship handle like a brick and eats a lot of power grid you could be using for guns or other fun things.

A signature :o

Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#12 - 2016-07-12 13:55:23 UTC
Morgan North wrote:
Perhaps its a time to make the afterburner for the proper size, better?

Amen - bring on the 500% speed bonus afterburners and throw away the MWD forever Twisted

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Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#13 - 2016-07-12 14:07:22 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Morgan North wrote:
Perhaps its a time to make the afterburner for the proper size, better?

Amen - bring on the 500% speed bonus afterburners and throw away the MWD forever Twisted


Only if balanced by warp scam shutting down the AB.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#14 - 2016-07-12 14:17:41 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Morgan North wrote:
Perhaps its a time to make the afterburner for the proper size, better?

Amen - bring on the 500% speed bonus afterburners and throw away the MWD forever Twisted


Only if balanced by warp scam shutting down the AB.

No no no, we don't need any of that >,>

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#15 - 2016-07-12 14:21:07 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Morgan North wrote:
Perhaps its a time to make the afterburner for the proper size, better?

Amen - bring on the 500% speed bonus afterburners and throw away the MWD forever Twisted


Only if balanced by warp scam shutting down the AB.

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Valkin Mordirc
#16 - 2016-07-12 14:37:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
Using an oversized AB has a number of benefits and a number of negatives. Only certain ships can use them, ones with AB bonuses like the Phantasm and Tengu, and others with High native velocities. Like the Svip and Orthrus. Generally however you want to be linked and have at least mid grade snakes in order to get up to a fair speed. Ships that don't use a whole lot of capacitor are good to use as well. Missiles are great because they don't care about how fast you are going like turrets will.


The positives are, you are very hard to lock down, even with webs the mass that the AB adds to your ship will allow to drift out of most web ranges, being an AB you are not affected by scrams. You have a high velocity without having the sig bloom from a MWD, so once your up to speed your ability to stay on the field will be far more favorable. Also a lot of people will not know how to handle oversized AB ships. So they may have troubles locking you down even if they have the answer in their fleet comp.


Negatives are that the oversized AB will take a lot of fitting space, if you do have to turn you'll turn like ******* aircraft carrier. So try not to do that. (At least try not to make a sharp turn, turn like an Aircraft carrier but do so at 2900m/s) You also eat up a ton of capacitor so you also need to have enough fitting to supply it. Neuts will absolutely ruin your day because of this more so then webs will. You also sling shot easily. So you need to be very careful and keep an eye on what your opponent is doing. You'll also basically need to have nanofibers to help you out, and you can't field a buffer armor ship and be oversized AB so your limited to a local tank, or a buffer shield fit.


I personally love oversized AB fits. They are a blast to fly.
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Amnika MonSulu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2016-07-12 15:19:02 UTC
Speed tanks are a thing.

What kills a speed tank? Slowing it down.

Fit a MWD for your speed tank and a war scrambler will ruin your day.

Fit an oversized AB and keep your speed tank. Even webbers will just drop you to near AB speeds in many cases.

Punisher with OAB, MWD and AB:

OAB: about 2727 m/s with oversized AB on and a stable cap. 2727 when hit with a warp scrambler. 1091 when hit with a webber and scrambler.


MWD: 3545 m/s with MWD on and a stable cap. 593 when hit with a warp scrambler. 1418 when hit with a webber or 238 when hit with a webber and scrambler.

AB: With a 1MN AB fitted, this build gets 1374 m/s or 550 m/s when hit with a webber.

So, the oversized AB gives near MWD speeds without the risk of scramblers and to offset this advantage, it takes up a good chunk of PG that cannot be used for armor or shield tanking.

It's also important to note that not every ship can pull off the OAB fit either and personally, I think it's more of a PVP fit as well.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#18 - 2016-07-12 15:25:19 UTC
Amnika MonSulu wrote:
I think it's more of a PVP fit as well.

Definitely only a PvP thing.

PvE is broken, the rats all cheat and have infinite range/etc but don't use prop mods in general - so if you speed tank at all there is no point cramming on more than a regular AB for PvE. Additionally you *need* more sustained tank (due to the unique mechanics of npc weaponry/ewar), so it would rarely fit onto the ship in any case.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2016-07-12 16:10:38 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Amnika MonSulu wrote:
I think it's more of a PVP fit as well.

Definitely only a PvP thing.

PvE is broken, the rats all cheat and have infinite range/etc but don't use prop mods in general - so if you speed tank at all there is no point cramming on more than a regular AB for PvE. Additionally you *need* more sustained tank (due to the unique mechanics of npc weaponry/ewar), so it would rarely fit onto the ship in any case.


There is also the no scram rule in PvE making one of the liability of a MWD completely void.
Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#20 - 2016-07-12 17:39:08 UTC
Well, I've tried it (Speed tanking) and I have to say I can't figure it out.

I have an Atron that can hit over 3,000 m/s with a standard Frig Sig and the Serpentis Battlecruisers can still tag me even at 2500 meters. What's hilarious is my 75mm Gatling II rails can't hit him regularly at that speed and range...

So, either these are super ships, I'm doing it wrong (likely the case), or Speed tanking is overrated.
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