EVE General Discussion

Anyone with a brain will also see that the vast, vast majority of the 630b isk imported into jita is in the form of PLEX, skill injectors, faction/officer modules, and moon minerals - which have nothing whatsoever to do with high sec mining.

However it is impossible to determine the exact amount of ore actually shipped in/out...as well as to separate out high-sec-mined ore and 0.0 mined ore that was shipped in without looking up numbers....so I'm just going to use his own logic and assume that the forge = 100% of high sec and use the numbers to point out he is an idiot.

Again, I realize it isn't particularly realistic - but it is a reasonable interpretation of the data provided by Geronimo, using some of the same (ridiculous) assumptions made *by Geronimo*.

So you admit your data doesn't say what you claimed - aka: You admit you are a Liar and an Idiot.

That was really all you had to say.

Sorry but you are being an idiot here, I was starting to get some respect for you, not that it matters to you, but you mucked it up with that post, because you were so keen to make a point that you ignored that fact that your point was rubbish.

Now you are just trying to divert attention from the fact that you replied to troll without being truthful. People who engage on the forums are better off just saying your figures are wrong rather than using figures like you did, you made yourself look like an idiot.. You are wiggling here, nice try and it sort of is acceptable in one sense, but you are ignoring all the mining done in other regions which is huge...

Honetly, being war decced for stupid reasons is way less annoying then having your alliance war dec other people for stupid reasons. But the former is what annoys new people.

There are ways around this. People in the same NPC corp can create an invite only chat channel and create sub groups. ECT. Although the only way around the problem Ive been able to think of when it comes to milking new 5-10 players corps or whatever to death is this.

Allow people to create a non dec-able corp for an appropriate fee. If they create said corp, apply all NPC corp taxes that already exist to it on top of any player created corp taxes. Do not allow them to anchor anything in space (other then cans or MTU's and that type of thing). Do not allow them to wardec anyone else (obviously). Create a member limit and do not allow them to be a member of an alliance. Create a new game mechanic allowing a single player (or multiple players individually) that allows someone in a non NPC corp to purchase kill rights (like a single player wardec) against another single player that happens to be in one of these "special corps". just to make sure they cant be complete dirt bags.

By "social corporation" you mean chat channel I presume?

Not quite. Something more.

Nevyn seems to have expressed a view that I never saw CCP outline, so that understanding is different to what I understood it to be, although that could potentially be one use.

If you take a group like Spectre Fleet. As a public NPSI group, they have 13,000 members from all sorts of different corps, including NPC Corps and player corps.

However, although they are an organised group, there are no ingame tools that really help support their activities, other than the possibility of creating a public chat channel and the difficult process in Eve of a mailing list.

There is no calendar that all members can access to see what public fleets are planned, there's no possibility of any organisational structure that helps people support the activities, no ability to publish doctrines to the group, no automatic chat channel or mailing list that people have access to by default if they decide to become part of the Spectre community, no easy way to provide contracted fitted ships just for the group, etc.

Essentially, while CCP acknowledged a couple of years ago that 'meaningful experiences' correlate with long term retention for players, the game currently has very, very limited tools to support people who want to create meaningful experiences and provide content for others.

The in game tools currently also lock you into one organisation. As I'm in an NPC Corp, it's difficult to be assigned roles in a structure that Spectre Fleet have, or to also join Affirmatives structure to help their public roams and be assigned roles, etc.

It all has to be done out of game and many things (eg. providing fitted ships, ensuring people know doctrines, etc.) are a pain in the ass.

So it leaked out over a year ago now (maybe even pushing 2 years) that CCP were considering the concept of a 'Social Corp' and to increase the range and use of social networking tools available in game to support different activities.

Unfortunately it was all handled poorly and was shitcanned here in the forum, in Reddit and on the tweetfleet slack.

Good idea overall though.

Introducing the concept would possibly go a long way to aleviating the constant whinging about wardecs as other non-deccable groups would be available to join and there wouldn't necessarily be the use of Corps unless a group needs to erect structures or control their tax structure.

The comment was actaually a good one and I remember it now, you said that leaving it vulnerable all the time would hurt small corps so I agreed and therefore suggested it would be better if they could turn it on which made it vulnerable. So I stand corrected, you did make a positive post on this which helped me to improve the idea. So I apologise that was a very good post and I up-voted you for it too.

I wish more of your posts were like that.

Ahhhh, where is the data exactly?

Like if all of those figures are real data, then give us the link.

Or is that just fictional justification in a way that suits whatever argument you are trying to make?

Real figures, or it just fiction, which means nothing.

I was going to to look into using a JF to haul stuff in highsec until I realized that a regular freighter can haul more and has a larger tank. So to be fair, there is no reason to be flying one in highsec unless you are moving stuff to or from somewhere other then highsec.