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Zduhac Aldent
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-07-09 21:42:06 UTC
So i know this question might have been ask a lot of time, but as somene who tryed trading i always found problem with investing money, when you sit in jita and see daily traffic of some product it seems a lot but i was spending more then few hours a day playing 0.1 isk games and i would not see a lot of traffic, and it was just around bil invested.

How do people invest 10-50bil, and get return, how is it there are people who have trilions in game, you cant make those trilions with ratting only with trading. Even if you go for high value products, traffic is too low for 50bil to return in one week for exsample
William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#2 - 2016-07-09 22:04:05 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Buldath
*snip* Thread hijacking isnt nice. *snip* ~ISD Buldath

There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...
InterStellar Architect
InterStellar Architects Corporation
#3 - 2016-07-10 05:40:42 UTC  |  Edited by: InterStellar Architect
Zduhac Aldent wrote:
So i know this question might have been ask a lot of time, but as somene who tryed trading i always found problem with investing money, when you sit in jita and see daily traffic of some product it seems a lot but i was spending more then few hours a day playing 0.1 isk games and i would not see a lot of traffic, and it was just around bil invested.

How do people invest 10-50bil, and get return, how is it there are people who have trilions in game, you cant make those trilions with ratting only with trading. Even if you go for high value products, traffic is too low for 50bil to return in one week for exsample


If you gonna station trade in Jita, the only thing worthwhile are PLEX, skill injectors, and skill extractors (high value / high volume items). You can try high-end officer mods, but those are very slow turnover.
Zduhac Aldent
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-07-10 11:15:49 UTC
Thx for that reply on Jita, but lets say its free game, do what you want with 50bil just invest them somwhere to get return after lets say week, would it be best to take all 3 char on acc and put them each in trade hub and buy plex, also invest a lot in regional trading with high value things like faction BC, exhumers, and rest
virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2016-07-11 10:03:50 UTC  |  Edited by: virm pasuul
InterStellar Architect wrote:

If you gonna station trade in Jita, the only thing worthwhile are PLEX, skill injectors, and skill extractors (high value / high volume items).


I would say almost the exact opposite. The volume are high true. But the competition is fierce and they are very high visibility items. If you enter this market to trade on a regular basis, and that regular basis qualifier is important, then you will be entering a pool full of sharks expecting to be on an equal footing with them. This is very unlikely to result in a win for you. Sorry if this sounds mean. But if you are posting on the boards asking what to invest in then for me this almost automatically means the above would be a terrible place for you to dip your toes.

I am not saying long term investment in these is bad, but getting into this market to make profit on a day to day basis is one of the easiest ways to get chewed up and spat out for the beginner investor. Lets pout it like this, some people are doing very nicely in that market, but they are the exception rather than the rule, and for every one making a tidy profit, someone is losing that money so they may have a profit.

There are other markets where you can make a very good margin by playing the long game. If you are prepared to wait and don't need liquidity. The risk is also much lower. Look for high volume items with a spiky history. They aren't sexy like PLEX is but you can reduce your risk substantially and if you have the patience they pretty much always pay off. examples would be minerals and moongoo products used in tech 2 production. You will need to do research for yourself.

It's not sexy, but it is reliable, and you have far less chance of being someone else's profit.
Zduhac Aldent
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-07-11 11:16:17 UTC
virm pasuul wrote:
InterStellar Architect wrote:

If you gonna station trade in Jita, the only thing worthwhile are PLEX, skill injectors, and skill extractors (high value / high volume items).


I would say almost the exact opposite. The volume are high true. But the competition is fierce and they are very high visibility items. If you enter this market to trade on a regular basis, and that regular basis qualifier is important, then you will be entering a pool full of sharks expecting to be on an equal footing with them. This is very unlikely to result in a win for you. Sorry if this sounds mean. But if you are posting on the boards asking what to invest in then for me this almost automatically means the above would be a terrible place for you to dip your toes.

I am not saying long term investment in these is bad, but getting into this market to make profit on a day to day basis is one of the easiest ways to get chewed up and spat out for the beginner investor. Lets pout it like this, some people are doing very nicely in that market, but they are the exception rather than the rule, and for every one making a tidy profit, someone is losing that money so they may have a profit.

There are other markets where you can make a very good margin by playing the long game. If you are prepared to wait and don't need liquidity. The risk is also much lower. Look for high volume items with a spiky history. They aren't sexy like PLEX is but you can reduce your risk substantially and if you have the patience they pretty much always pay off. examples would be minerals and moongoo products used in tech 2 production. You will need to do research for yourself.

It's not sexy, but it is reliable, and you have far less chance of being someone else's profit.


I was not looking for answer like invest in this and that more like you can invest 10bil more easly in regional trading then in station trading or its easyer to invest that much money across more hubs trading high value, high margin items but thx for reply
virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2016-07-11 11:20:16 UTC
You're welcome :)
Whatever you choose good luck.
William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#8 - 2016-07-11 18:01:08 UTC  |  Edited by: William Legrand-Marx
Zduhac Aldent wrote:
So i know this question might have been ask a lot of time, but as somene who tryed trading i always found problem with investing money, when you sit in jita and see daily traffic of some product it seems a lot but i was spending more then few hours a day playing 0.1 isk games and i would not see a lot of traffic, and it was just around bil invested.

How do people invest 10-50bil, and get return, how is it there are people who have trilions in game, you cant make those trilions with ratting only with trading. Even if you go for high value products, traffic is too low for 50bil to return in one week for exsample



Casino scams, t2/t3 ships production is the way. However with the small amount initially, only basic trading operations can bring reliable profit. Do not fall for production as a solo activity. The market is saturated. Try instead contracting or transporting inter-regionally high-end products which are in demand. See for the prces and suit yourself. Going into plex unless you are 15-25 trillion into sky is a bad idea. Diversify the risk by investing in something which easily brings the margin and invest in those slow pacing passive income margins that need time. Mostly allocate your funds into low margin high volume ops. Do not go for high margin small volume fully or you might get under market train. In essence, you need time to familiarize with behaviour of the market and inside information from alliances could also help. TIP: when huge battles happen, that is the optimal point for trade off, so you must be prepared before hand and this can happen by concentrating efforts in regions which are close to grand pvp arenas, like sovereignity borders. Do not forget that eve is military economy. Green colours needed basically. Hope I could help. Also if you are interested in my proposal, I can get into detail, if not I can suggest few things for succesful trading, after all, the bigger the market gets the bette for all traders.

There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...
Zduhac Aldent
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-07-11 22:21:06 UTC
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
Zduhac Aldent wrote:
So i know this question might have been ask a lot of time, but as somene who tryed trading i always found problem with investing money, when you sit in jita and see daily traffic of some product it seems a lot but i was spending more then few hours a day playing 0.1 isk games and i would not see a lot of traffic, and it was just around bil invested.

How do people invest 10-50bil, and get return, how is it there are people who have trilions in game, you cant make those trilions with ratting only with trading. Even if you go for high value products, traffic is too low for 50bil to return in one week for exsample



Casino scams, t2/t3 ships production is the way. However with the small amount initially, only basic trading operations can bring reliable profit. Do not fall for production as a solo activity. The market is saturated. Try instead contracting or transporting inter-regionally high-end products which are in demand. See for the prces and suit yourself. Going into plex unless you are 15-25 trillion into sky is a bad idea. Diversify the risk by investing in something which easily brings the margin and invest in those slow pacing passive income margins that need time. Mostly allocate your funds into low margin high volume ops. Do not go for high margin small volume fully or you might get under market train. In essence, you need time to familiarize with behaviour of the market and inside information from alliances could also help. TIP: when huge battles happen, that is the optimal point for trade off, so you must be prepared before hand and this can happen by concentrating efforts in regions which are close to grand pvp arenas, like sovereignity borders. Do not forget that eve is military economy. Green colours needed basically. Hope I could help. Also if you are interested in my proposal, I can get into detail, if not I can suggest few things for succesful trading, after all, the bigger the market gets the bette for all traders.



Thx with answer it helped a lot, good guidelines, nicely said
William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#10 - 2016-07-18 17:10:31 UTC
Zduhac Aldent wrote:
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
Zduhac Aldent wrote:
So i know this question might have been ask a lot of time, but as somene who tryed trading i always found problem with investing money, when you sit in jita and see daily traffic of some product it seems a lot but i was spending more then few hours a day playing 0.1 isk games and i would not see a lot of traffic, and it was just around bil invested.

How do people invest 10-50bil, and get return, how is it there are people who have trilions in game, you cant make those trilions with ratting only with trading. Even if you go for high value products, traffic is too low for 50bil to return in one week for exsample



Casino scams, t2/t3 ships production is the way. However with the small amount initially, only basic trading operations can bring reliable profit. Do not fall for production as a solo activity. The market is saturated. Try instead contracting or transporting inter-regionally high-end products which are in demand. See for the prces and suit yourself. Going into plex unless you are 15-25 trillion into sky is a bad idea. Diversify the risk by investing in something which easily brings the margin and invest in those slow pacing passive income margins that need time. Mostly allocate your funds into low margin high volume ops. Do not go for high margin small volume fully or you might get under market train. In essence, you need time to familiarize with behaviour of the market and inside information from alliances could also help. TIP: when huge battles happen, that is the optimal point for trade off, so you must be prepared before hand and this can happen by concentrating efforts in regions which are close to grand pvp arenas, like sovereignity borders. Do not forget that eve is military economy. Green colours needed basically. Hope I could help. Also if you are interested in my proposal, I can get into detail, if not I can suggest few things for succesful trading, after all, the bigger the market gets the bette for all traders.



Thx with answer it helped a lot, good guidelines, nicely said


You are welcome. SOmeone has to suggest something beyond "buy low sell high" genius phrases of the century.

There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...