Market Discussions

Do you guys still play the .01 game over the weekends? I know this is my first weekend actually trading but from what I can see the sell order drop significantly more than the week, same as the buy orders rising.

Seems liek you get 10 people or so raising it by .01 and then 1 or 2 guys who at a guess get frustrated and raise it by 1 or 2 ISK which speed up the increase or decrease of prices a lot.

While I did plex myself so I could have decent taxes I still worry about the margins. .. heres an example of why I worry and I am not entirely sure how to make sure I dont make this mistake:

Item: Widget

I throw up an initial buy order for 1million items at say 100 ISK... then someone fills my order for about say 100 thousand, great!

I throw those widgets into a sell order for about 200 ISK... Decent margin, making a profit, wonderful...

Now I notice some dastardly individual starts selling at 199.99... that jerk! So I adjust my sell order to 199.98 and I notice that someone else is buying them for 101ISK so I of course raise my purchase point to 101.01

this goes on for say an hour of my gaining some supply at ever increasing prices till I am selling at 155 and buying at 145... now this would be an ok sell point for the initial 100k items I bought but for anything I got now for 145, if I sold that at 155 I would in fact be losing money due to taxes.


How do you guys make sure you dont fall into this trap? Also do you even play the .01 game in the weekends because it seems like with so many playing the .01 game it would be much easier to fall into said trap.

How do you know when y ou need to play this game and when y ou are better off just holding something at a certain price and letting the overall trend reach your price instead of you trying to meet the current prices.


I had bought a few geckos for instance, the overall trend is up but the price fell 2m isk in the last 24 hours, I'm, guessing this is an example of ovezealous weekend warriors.


Hopefully my questions made sense, my ex boyfriends always said I tend to ramble when confused and I still am trying to figure this whole thing out so right now I usually am more confused than not :) but Alas, I will get this figured out and become a eve trillionare :) lol

Thank you for any help you can provide.

Some traders play this game 24h and also use bots. You have no chance outplaying those. Hence find something with decent margin but only human players, also check when trades are happening and when orders are updated and how often. You need to find stuff, which is sold during your timeszone, but orders are not frequently updated.

For me as a producer, the market is a necessary evil. My safety net are production costs always below or near the buy price. So the worst that could happen is, that I make no profit.

I expect EVE mogul can help you here.

I don't use it myself, so I don't know that much about it, but tracking your actual margins is one of the things it touts as a feature.

If I get into 0.01 battles I have a few tricks to mess with the other person.

My favorite is just putting up a new listing of one item at way under what they are selling at, then a second order undercutting that.

If the enemy undercuts the two orders I buy their entire stock. If they buy mine, no big loss.

Well the true is, you buy before the opening and put a price at presumtive finale when everyone is done with their .01 fights and they reach your price range, you sell off. The thing is not to play the game of .01 but let others do it. You can try boosting their game a bit by buying their trade in small quantities giving them incentive, this way you will fuel the fire, if you do it properly, you can make people inflate a lot and well beyond your price. Be sure to consider the cost of trade motivation purchases in the forecasted price for your main stock. The amount depends on the values you tend to purchase to stoke the fire.

The funny part is that if everyone tries to do what i explained, the prices will go through the roof and the market will stagnate, pilots will go crazy and most likely certain ships will not be used. We also consider that you trade this way in many fields, to capture most of the high volume low margin goods. So inflation can cause certain ships losing demand and the price of the ships will plummet. After that you can start second part of investing into low volume high margin buy lets say buying these ships. After you invested everything (always have back up funds, never invest fully), drop the price of your high volume goods lets say ammo to the one that would be acceptable by players, if this hyperinflation you caused by playing the other .01 geniuses never happened. Now you can choose price whatever you wish. After this watch the price of ammo fall. Market will stabilise, ships will grow in price again, sell at the price, do not stoke the users in the high margin trade segment. Overall time of operation few to 15 days, depends on market speed. Thing is that not everyone will do this because, it needs time, it needs [atience, it needs some knowledge of human behaviour and so on and so forth. This is just one of the operations that can be done out of many. Glad I could help, if you are confused or got questions, write me ingame I can share more.

Also I am currently gathering a collective for profitable enterprise, if you are interested, I can get you details.

Check here, read comments carefully.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=487257&find=unread

EDIT: about the piots going crazy: it will take time for them to do that, first they will go for unallocated capital to sassiate their need, until it becomes unbearableand the market segment stagnates, that is when you quit high-end, and return to low-end to finalise the cycle. After that you need to take time for market to normalise e.g. prices going to previous levels, users returning to their habits. Repeat in bigger scale or do something else, there are ways...

EDIT: About expanding: Also when expanding, be sure to run few trials including scams, low level trading ops to check the people you trade with and the market itself. Since you are a market operator and not casino or escrow service, you do not require trust from other players, so you can use it to acces markets in a better way. Even if you get exposed or whatever, it won-t stop people from buying stuff from you and you making money of the trading.

This has potential but what if the market is stagnated? Crashing buys? Buah, this will be painful for your wallet, there are lesser risks with bigger returns. The market volatility will affect how long it will take to stabilise, before doing anything, market must be trialed for volatility, so it can be few hours or few weeks. Crashing hubs? You know the volume of the hubs? Diversifying in low-end products like ammo and weaponry, which relate to bigger high-end products like ships for the ultimate mess you need anything but crashing buy orders. The control of markets is in deman of alliances and their production capabilities. If you want to get into that, be sure to have trillions upon trillions and I mean like two-digit.

What you talk is small scale production. Solo players cannot match the volume of alliance production, I was in one and I know what I participated in. About you trying to have a share: that is some hardcore trading right there.

EDIT: Do not forget that giving partial information about something is a traders work. never fully expose your knowledge or skill unless you want to work witht the people. I could have said, demand of alliances and their production have little to no impact. Also double negation doesn't work on obvious things.

Mazel tov, and remember, that small traders go big if they bunch together. Old saying indicates that together we are stronger and it is true.

So if you want to perform something similiar and not wasting own time by years to get to necessary volume, find a team, assemble a campaign and reap benefits each respectively to own invested capital. That is vaguely my plan at the public stage and advertsiment.

I don't want to like you because you have that magic 404 number hanging there, but you have my like.

EDIT: Since it got into 405 I couldnt resist.