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Positive Security Status

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Durban Kronic
EVE Space Marines
#1 - 2016-07-10 10:55:16 UTC
I have read recently a few forum posts on this topic but from quite a long time ago and as I am a returning player I am wondering if EvE has a system where positive security status effects your character in any way beneficial Straight

I understand that many people would abuse the system because if you were a pirate you could simply gain a few points in security standing and then continue your reign of terror Shocked

It just seems to me like we should be getting a significant bounty increase or enhanced drop rate, something that impacts mission runners in a way that gets them up in the morning! Big smile
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2016-07-10 11:06:00 UTC
Yeah, the local police dont shoot at your face when they see it.
Seems a fairly big benifit to me.

Beyond that, why should players be penalised for pvp again?
Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
#3 - 2016-07-10 11:43:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Celeste Coeval
Ignore the like farmer. The positive security status generally denotes trust, but that can be deceptive. People can be pirate even with 5.0 sec status, they just grind it back up as quick as possible/simply coincidentally by ratting. Consider it "bay boy" credits, that are paid for by shooting what Concord wants dead, much like with war dec's Concord turn a blind eye and penalize those who do their objectives less than those who do nothing for them.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#4 - 2016-07-10 11:52:32 UTC
Calling someone as prolific and helpful as Ralph a 'like farmer' is incredibly disingenuous (not to mention insulting), and completely undermines the swill you peddle.

OP - no benefits (either now or in the foreseeable future, I'm afraid), but I believe that at one point it was possible to get 5.5 positive sec status through a COSMOS mission, IIRC...a true badge for the real carebear! Big smile

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#5 - 2016-07-10 11:58:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Celeste Coeval wrote:
The positive security status generally denotes trust, but that can be deceptive. People can be pirate even with 5.0 sec status,
Indeed they can, although being a pirate doesn't necessarily involve losing security status for acts of piracy.

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they just grind it back up as quick as possible/simply coincidentally by ratting.
A couple of years ago maybe, the system no longer gives the boost to sec status that you think it does.

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Consider it "bay boy" credits, that are paid for by shooting what Concord wants dead,
That would be tags, more efficient than ratting, expensive too.

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much like with war dec's Concord turn a blind eye
Which is the whole point of wardecs, they're essentially a licence to hunt certain game in Concords game park.

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and penalize those who do their objectives less than those who do nothing for them.
What?

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Valkin Mordirc
#6 - 2016-07-10 12:04:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
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Ignore the like farmer



Translation: I am Jelly of all the likes you have, and I aspire to someday reach the stars that you have set for us mortal's.
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Memphis Baas
#7 - 2016-07-10 12:05:10 UTC
10 years ago, sec status was the same as "standings with Concord", and they had agents that could give missions, with + increase with all empires. So CCP removed that link between sec status and standings, and removed the agents.

So now, if you're above 0, it just means that you have more buffer for your piracy or suicide ganking before you go negative.

And the regular penalties apply if you go negative.
Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#8 - 2016-07-10 12:32:15 UTC
The wardec alliances have a lot of 5.0 security status characters in them because:
1: Locator agents and reputation.
2: They buy off CONCORD so they don't get hit for their bear-farming activities.
3: Flashy yellows of opportunity.

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Durban Kronic
EVE Space Marines
#9 - 2016-07-10 14:50:03 UTC
Thanks everyone for summing that up.

It's a shame that they don't do more with these systems in-game but I suppose there are a lot of other things that compensate for the slight irregularity systems they no longer have interest in! P
Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
#10 - 2016-07-10 15:43:24 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Calling someone as prolific and helpful as Ralph a 'like farmer' is incredibly disingenuous (not to mention insulting), and completely undermines the swill you peddle.


To you.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#11 - 2016-07-10 15:45:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Mephiztopheleze
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Beyond that, why should players be penalised for pvp again?


i can *understand* security status hits for hostile acts in hisec....... but for the love of BoB, why are we penalised so heavily in LowSec?

In two years of playing, I've committed a total of three (3) criminal acts in HiSec, two of which were within the last 24 hours. Yet I have a -9.9 security status.

CCPL0X STOP HATE LOWSEXC!

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Celeste Coeval wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Calling someone as prolific and helpful as Ralph a 'like farmer' is incredibly disingenuous (not to mention insulting), and completely undermines the swill you peddle.


To you.


And me.

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W33b3l
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-07-10 17:00:47 UTC
I personally wish your sec status effected concord response time if you where attacked. Zero being default, the closer to 5 you are the quicker they respond ( based off the security of the system) and the closer you are to -5 (or the magic number that makes you a criminal) the slower they respond. That would be kind of cool.

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#13 - 2016-07-10 17:02:47 UTC
W33b3l wrote:
I personally wish your sec status effected concord response time if you where attacked. Zero being default, the closer to 5 you are the quicker they respond ( based off the security of the system) and the closer you are to -5 (or the magic number that makes you a criminal) the slower they respond. That would be kind of cool.


but again, why penalize the pvp oriented players?
Buliki
Publicly Owned Customs Offices
#14 - 2016-07-10 17:26:24 UTC
Durban Kronic wrote:
Thanks everyone for summing that up.

It's a shame that they don't do more with these systems in-game but I suppose there are a lot of other things that compensate for the slight irregularity systems they no longer have interest in! P



Yes like camera shakes or [insert hundreds of examples here]
Buliki
Publicly Owned Customs Offices
#15 - 2016-07-10 17:27:52 UTC
W33b3l wrote:
I personally wish your sec status effected concord response time if you where attacked. Zero being default, the closer to 5 you are the quicker they respond ( based off the security of the system) and the closer you are to -5 (or the magic number that makes you a criminal) the slower they respond. That would be kind of cool.




So cool that I always thought it worked that way until now I'm not sure anymore... wtf?!
W33b3l
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2016-07-10 17:34:06 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
W33b3l wrote:
I personally wish your sec status effected concord response time if you where attacked. Zero being default, the closer to 5 you are the quicker they respond ( based off the security of the system) and the closer you are to -5 (or the magic number that makes you a criminal) the slower they respond. That would be kind of cool.


but again, why penalize the pvp oriented players?


Consider it "highsec content creation" :P

But honestly having a mechanic like that would make sense. As long as you dont dip below -2 or whatever the number is currently arbitrary. If you lowsec pirate just do some ratting before going out in your mining barge. Assuming you do that.

Unless you are talking about the fact it would be harder to highsec gank care bears... Wich really isn't PVP to be honest, doing that should be difficult if the target is fit correctly. As for the other end of it. You could find people mining with -1 status and gank them easy.

Although I've always felt that loosing sec status in lowsec (other then podding) is kind of stupid because theres not any authorities out there to see it happen. They could lower the fine for killing people in lowsec to help counter act it.

Just saying it would be cool if it worked that way. Consequences for actions and all that.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#17 - 2016-07-10 18:49:49 UTC
Celeste Coeval wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Calling someone as prolific and helpful as Ralph a 'like farmer' is incredibly disingenuous (not to mention insulting), and completely undermines the swill you peddle.


To you.




On the contrary, I think you've undermined your swill to everyone here.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
#18 - 2016-07-10 19:44:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Celeste Coeval
Bumblefck wrote:
Celeste Coeval wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Calling someone as prolific and helpful as Ralph a 'like farmer' is incredibly disingenuous (not to mention insulting), and completely undermines the swill you peddle.


To you.




On the contrary, I think you've undermined your swill to everyone here.


Roll somethings in the eve community never change and the forum warrior brotherhood is one of them. You talk as if I have peddled this "swill" in copious amounts, compared to the meme'd to death forum garbage that alot of you folks seem to find endlessly amusing, degrading and ultimately belittling to well thought out and genuine questions and critiques. I haven't posted in years and the first thing this guy says to me in a post I spent a good deal of time typing and thinking about is "TL;DR IBTL". These are the actions of someone who thinks they can shut something down before it gets a chance to get going and someone who is fishing for likes. Ralph might be all of the things you say, but that's your experience, not mine. That post didn't get locked, nor will it.

Bumblefck, you seem to think you are entitled to speak for everyone here as does Ralph, you aren't, the likes have gone to your heads, it's the same on Facebook and elsewhere on the t'internets, it's narcissistic and shallow. You are a like farmer too. Before anyone accuses me of being envious in some way, I am not, I just have spent long enough on the web to spot self-aggrandizement when I see it.

Queue the pseudo "we don't care what you think" responses to this post.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#19 - 2016-07-10 20:19:00 UTC
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the likes have gone to your heads



I think if you honestly believe this then there is a fundamental disconnect going on in your reasoning somewhere.

My point was that Ralph's contributions - feel free to look back through his posting history - have a consistency of being honest, straightforward, and helpful (if sometimes amusingly irreverent). Just take a look back through a random selection of NCQ&A threads, to get a taste.


I'm speaking to you from the position of being able to see the tangible results of his posts, not from the position of defending a fellow 'like farmer'. There is nothing to suggest in his first post that self-aggrandisement was in play.


I found the post you're referring to.


This is what you're so upset about. Given that your OP in that thread was fairly meandering and full of anecdotes, is it unreasonable to assume that some people would value succinctness over verbosity? I'm not saying it was badly written (it's not), but your response to him was way over the top - especially as what you posted was basically a rant.

By shutting him down automatically in this thread, based on what he posted in that thread (with no regard to this thread's post's content), you really are no better than the 'the forum warrior brotherhood' you despise.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#20 - 2016-07-10 20:19:30 UTC
Ill give you that, i was expecting a lock for a rant and miss judged, my fault for skim reading.
I still think its a silly point to stick on though, sort of like arguing that the at ships are imballanced.
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