Player Features and Ideas Discussion

My alliance is dominated by Euros, so being a USTZ player....but then again, I don't really like ratting and do other things to make ISK.

Because no-one has found a way to "fix" this complete non problem which doesn't break other game areas and only ever serves to make their gameplay safer.

If you don't like being the threat of hotdropped (oh noes, not a ship loss!), check out highsec or wormholes.

Rat in a carrier. That'll do it every time.

What, even when he is not at his keyboard?

And it bothers me not being able to bait out that guy AFK in station. Obviously we need some method to force an undock. I know, a POS module so that when the "butan" is pushed it undocks everyone in station unless they click abort. Oh...wait, no fuel. You can only stay docked if you have enough fuel in your ship...and if you are in a pod you have 30 seconds to get in a ship and put fuel in the cargo hold. Yeah...that'll do the trick. Fuel.

And since somebody in this thread is completely incapable of detecting even the most blatant sarcasm....[/sarcasm]

So your idea to fix a issue caused by free, 100% accurate intel is to introduce more free, 100% accurate intel? Greaaat... What could ever go wrong...

First of all, you should never balance things based on cost, we have seen time and time again how cost balancing totally fails. Titans, Poses, structures, All these have massive costs, in both time and isk, yet we are already seeing or have been seeing them everywhere. Every Alliance and their pet seems to have a titan hidden away some where

Second, if you want to introduce mechanics to help you hunt, or defend, then you need to increase player involvement, this is one of the main balancing factors for the game. IS PLAYER INVESTMENT, How much player creativity/time/effort vs reward that comes out. Your idea is **** because you have a net zero player investment, yet you get an instant reward. So all in all, your idea is shite, the idea of AFK flags, specially with how current Intel mechanics is set up, is shite.

Third of all, if you want to add in tools to hunt down other people, then you need to fix the current tools that we have, it simple as that. Local is a terrible tool because for net zero investment, you get 100% infallible information. It one of the reasons why local is one of the worst mechanics in eve online for both the hunter and the huntee. The defenders get a free early warning system, and the hunters can completely avoid empty sectors of space. So if you are hiding out in the middle of no where, someone will eventually find you because they will dodge all the empty systems.

As for the observation array, I wish they would just axe local intel system and come up with real tools. Just because you place a structure there for 100m, you still get the same result. Which is a net zero player investment and in turn, receive a reward for it. IT in my opinion goes against almost all other tools Eve online provides. I can think of very VERY few activities where the netcost of player investment is zero and they get rewarded for it.

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See that up there, that you mate, that you attempting to quantify balance through the use of isk. That you making a horrible mistake. Never balance some through the use of isk.



You are right, an AFK player has zero investment, in both time and effort, so his net cost is Zero, however, his net gain is also Zero.

See the balance here, See what he getting while afk? Thats right bucko. Zero, nothing, natta.

Everything he did, getting in your system, getting past your defenses, and then cloaking up in a safe spot, that was done while he was at his keyboard, he put in Time and Effort, and he gained a reward, that reward was making a safe spot in your system. So lets see here Time (check) Effort(Check) Reward(Check.)

You see the balance here? Do you see it? Of course you do, and you can argue till you are blue in the face but the truth is right here, and it doesn't change, his time, effort, and reward came from he being at the keyboard and breaking into your system, You lack of time and effort, has in turn resulted in a cloaker sneaking in to your system

Do you see a trend here? OF COURSE YOU DO.



Oh my, someone attacking me, knowing nothing of me, knowing nothing about how I operate, and knowing nothing about what he talking about.

Really, it says it all and I shouldn't even respond to such a petty attack on my Persona.



Fine buddy, have it removed my little friend, but in turn have it replace something.

Going to replace it with noise generators that you can point at systems to detect noise?

Going to replace it with the ability to pick up warp trails?

Going to replace it with something that takes Player Effort, for in turn a large reward?

Go on, we can take away local, we can take away the map tools. But: What will it be replace by? And how will these tools help the hunter and the huntee at the same time?


The only one that a hypocrite is you, this entire argument is nothing but you demanding pure, absolute safety.

You demand if we remove local, then we should remove map tools, and in turn out right neuter null sec hunting because it will be to ******* boring to scan every single system to find a target. You know this, so you demand it, then you challenge everyone that suggest otherwise saying they are a hypocrite.

So I'm calling you out on your silly challenge- We arn't just talking about removing the poorly design current tools, we are talking about REPLACING them, which in turn crop up the possibility that someone who gets really good at these tools can find your base of operations in a matter of days if they decide to put in enough effort.

I'm going to call you out right now Dracvlad

The only one that is a hypocrite with a capital H, is you, and if you deny giving better tools to both the hunter and huntee is the best of ideas, and Axe the current tools, you will show your true colors to everyone here.

How childish, maybe you actually can't read.

No really, I honestly don't know if you can read or not, as everything is explained in the post above this, in like, broken paragraph format.



The issue is, is that it still a zero effort intel system, plop down a intel device, and instant intel for everyone in your corp, gg only need to keep people from shooting it, hell you don't need to use the damn thing, and it will generate totally free intel for you.

That, is what we call, a zero effort, 100% reward system, and these systems are bad m-kay?



And the fact that I HAVE to AFK camp to find jucie targets is a waste of my game time, Bro. So why not introduce new intel systems that are challenging for both sides to use....Bro.



It is 100% safety, you want to know exactly when he on, thus you always have overwhelming forces regardless of what he does. Pretty sure that known as 100% safety, or so fraken close to it, that it rather sad.....Bro...






Man, I can't tell if you are just a sad, sad man, or one that has ZERO experience with cloaking mechanics, or maybe both! But if you are currently in high sec, then what up with that ******* talk about hunting people down in low and null sec and baiting them out. Jeezus- At least get your fraken story straight before you start an argument with someone......

Bro....

Local is fine if behind an OS which is what CCP will do, then its up to you to take down local, I want them to remove that free intel on the map.

It is not free if you have to make it and buy it, then plonk it down and defend it or fuel it, if you want to call that free that is your issue.

Camping ATK is fine, you are not wasting your time AFK, you are wasting their time.

I do not want to waste my time baiting out someone who is not at his keyboard, it is a waste of my game time and very poor gameplay.






Local if left how it currently is, and simply put behind a structure is still free intel because it requires no player interaction to gather said intel, the fact you can't see this simple detail is staggering.



And I can argue it a waste of my time when everyone docks up and stays docked up like that, Docking creates no intresting gameplay at all.... See it works bothways mate.



I don't see how Jita, or I assume high sec is in anyway relevant to the topic at hand.

Second point: It highly unlikely they will make Local a defender only tool mate. Highly unlikely.