EVE General Discussion

No, you are doing the typical stupid apples to oranges comparison.

No one protects themselves in highsec, so therefore it must be more risky.

The logic of that sort of claim is unfortunately the typical stupid rubbish you post.


Of course there are intel channels, as well as other measures. Want to have a guess why?

I lived in npc null for 3 years out of the last 4. The last year in sov null. NPC null is no more dangerous than sov null. Depends on the area, for both of them, but overall its about the same.

In the end, this is supposed to be a thread about the state of wardecs, which has no real bearing on nullsec. Holding a pissing contest with yourself about highsec v nullsec shouldn't even be here.

Well if you want to go *there* - then let me enlighten you:

That is the best part.

High sec miners are *so stupid* that in addition to making themselves effort free, juicy, *profitable* targets in war-time... They KEEP ON MINING.

Not only that, some of them like to dabble in building things - and they are so stupid they think all of their ore is worth 0 isk - so they then sell their produced items *below* the build cost of the actual manufacturers, keeping prices down for all of my equipment.

And you know what? The *more* people blow them apart and steal everything they've worked for - the *more* pressure they put on themselves to try to "expand" their operations into things like production to try to earn back their lost isk.

It is a vicious cycle that could only be broken if they managed to actually *think* about what they were doing for a few seconds - meaning it will *never end*.



Don't get me wrong mate. I'm an extreme bitter-vet. I miss high-sec carebears that had at least some brains and some fighting spirit. I miss a lot of things.

And I definitely consider the modern high-sec carebears to be idiots on the whole. And yeah, I insult them quite a lot (that bitter-vet syndrome flaring up)...

But even though I may miss "the old days" I am perfectly capable of adapting to modern times - and my wallet is quite happy with the state of idiocy in EVE high sec. As is my ever expanding ship collection, thank you very much.

Yes, exactly in general I feel Eve although not an arcade, does miss the gamification elements of what makes arcades fun to play. In an indirect way I think it's also why everyone blobs and plays with alt logi and ecm crap there isn't the incentive to do it differently. There isn't the incentive to pvp even numbered. but hell thats a completely different ball game all together.

We're not extinct yet, but we are becoming an endangered species

Likewise, although they're technically my peers, I have nothing but contempt for those that can't be arsed to think about what they're doing.

Since we are on the topic of wardecs.

In my travels into old patchnotes and dev blogs to prove Aaron wrong I found this:


This was from when they last changed the wardec mechanic.

My questions now are... is there any chance we can see the numbers on this, since their already are tracking it, should be decent enough with data by now.
And why was'nt this followed up?

Team Super Friends had some great ideas and imho had a good start. Too bad they didn't finish it.
To me it seems like it was deemed "good enough" and here we are...

No. You are an idiot.

You act as if I'm proposing something, but I'm not. I am merely factually describing the way the game *actually is*. Right now.

This is not my ideal version of the game. Far from it indeed. But this *is* the game we are playing in RIGHT NOW. That is just a fact. You can whine about it all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that what I said *is the current reality* - and unless something unexpected happens it is going to remain the reality going forward.


You can whine all you want and demand a mechanic change to magically "fix" wars - but none of your ideas will actually help in any way whatsoever. The primary problem is the mindset of high-sec residents. And I just don't see that changing, no matter what they do to the mechanics.

This is just reality. Deal with it.


PS: People have been predicting for 10+ years that all the carebears are going to go on strike and quit building ships/weapons for the people who kill them. It hasn't happened and it isn't going to happen. Idiots will be idiots until the day they die - and then their children will carry on being idiots for them. If/when EVE does die, it won't be from this.

You are wrong on both of it: I'm no idiot and the "Carebears" are clever. They know that it is a waste of money and gametime to chase Deccers that dock up whenever there is the slightest danger of loosing. so why waste money on it? The problem are the "clever" deccers that use every game machanic to avert any risk? It's just not worth it! You call it clever like Mittens but in the end it's the same tactic as the goons use: don't give a target and destroy the game for the enemy.

I want to force the deccers out when there is someone to fight. Make the destruction of the wardecc structure contractable= work for mercs.

Fun ingame is a fight no matter who wins or looses, at least for me (at the moment I'm at the receiving end) but the evasive tactics are something that makes fights no fun.

You think that everyone is an idiot and don't realise that most Players know what is rewarding and what is not. And the way wardeccs are fought now by the leet Players is no fun so it's better to hop corp then to fight.

Regarding #1: Yes, that part was covered to a large extent in point #2. You can’t say, “This system is ours in a 0.5 and higher system.” You can’t do this for two reasons. First, CONCORD dissuades you from shooting people without a war dec. Second, you can’t lock people out of stations like you can in Sov NS.

Regarding #2: Goons had pretty big trade hubs. Trade hubs in NS are not that big though largely in part because of the HS mechanics. Nobody will set up a station as a trade hub in NS when their competition is Jita and Amarr.

Regarding #3: Sure you can minimize risk. The problem is many HS dwellers don’t. When you hop in your Charon, fill it with 10 billion in goodies, and set it to autopilot through Niarja is only a little bit less risky than slathering yourself in steak sauce and jumping into the bear enclosure at your local zoo.

Regarding #4: Yes, you can. Fitting ships are a choice. You may not be able to do an anomaly solo with a PvP fit, but there is safety in numbers (think of a school of fish) and more ships means you can fit more for PvP making your ratting ships harder to kill. Lots of people who are killing ratters in NS do it by taking advantage of PvE tank holes and getting in and killing the ratter and then GTFO. If I were in a stratios and saw 7 skiffs in a belt…I’d likely pass on it unless I knew I had a big enough fleet very close by.

Yes, going to NS usually means you’ll have to set aside what you want to do and do what the corp/alliance/coalition needs. Everything in this game is tradeoffs. EVERYTHING. The NS person trades his freedom to do whatever he wants for access to NS resources such as ratting, PI, mining high ends, building super caps if that is your thing, etc. Most NS people also enjoy PvP so coming together with a likeminded group means you have better access to that. But yeah, you might have to go on a structure grind, or rep a structure, or even help with logistics. But at the same time you give up stuff by staying in HS.

If you want to fight, then let your bears bear it up and have a response fleet ready. No wardec ever stopped me from doing stuff because I was looking forward to dishing it out if/when they'd make an appearance.

If they don't they wasted their money. If they DO show up, you have the fight you wanted. Are you not entertained?

The only issue I have with your thinking here to draw a conclusion that ns is safer than hs because there are fewer neutrals in system is this:

In ns, a neutral = real threat, but it's not the same in hs. Most neutrals are absolutely no threat. Yes, you can't trust them, that's a basic rule of the game, but that doesn't mean they are actually a threat to you.

McVain said it above. In highsec most people are just going about doing their own thing. In hs, neutral =/= fight.

In 8 years I've never once been killed in highsec on any character. I haul (with Freighter and Jump Freighter) and so have been in highsec regularly over that time (eg. Currently I'm in highsec daily). Passed thousands of other characters in that time and not once been killed.

In ns, a neut means something totally different. You can't pass thousands of them in the same way as hs. They just aren't equivalent to the same threat level.

However, can't we all just get off this pissing contest. NS has nothing to do with the state of wardecs, which is what this thread is supposed to be about.

If you want to think your highsec **** is bigger than a nullsec ****, fine. Think it. But can't we all just drop it as a point of conversation since it's totally off topic.