Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Sooo.

Was sitting here thinking....Why are strategic cruisers such powerful ships, but yet fall under the classification of cruisers, thus making them even more powerful because they have a smaller sig radius??

My suggestion.

Reclassify Strategic Cruisers as Strategic BattleCruisers.

Now, the only thing that would need to change is that actual name of their skills, the classification of these ships, and their sig radius.

They would still require cruisers lvl 5, but instead of just stepping up to higher lvl cruisers, you would instead be stepping up and to the side to strategic battlecruisers.

These ships generally would fit nicely into the classification as a battlecruiser, but since they are a bit more powerful, they simply require cruisers lvl 5 instead of 4, and also require the skills for the sub systems.

Now, this would mean that you could increase the sig radius of these ships to fall more in line with battlecruisers, thus taking away from the excessive OP nature of them being a cruiser class.

They could maintain everything else from dps, to tank, and velocity. The only change to the ships themselves would simply be increased size, which also means increased sig radius. So they wouldn't be as complicated to hit, but would still have the same tanking capability and dps which in a lot of situations is more powerful than tier 1 and 2 bs's in most typical fits.

So to recap.
1) Strategic cruisers become strategic battlecruisers.
2) Change the skills to reflect this, but still requiring the same prerequisites.
3) Increase the size and sig radius of these ships to represent them being classified as battlecruisers, and thus balancing them a bit better in Eve.



For those wondering. I have the skills and am currently flying a Tengu. I am capable of having more omni tank than the best tank fit i've ever put on a drake. I am capable of more dps than the best dps fit I've ever put on a drake, and I am capable of having a greater range than the best range fit I have ever put on a drake. However, I have beat all of these seperate fits with one single fit on the Tengu, while also having a smaller sig radius and greater speed at the same time.

So I would think it would be a good placement for these ships as well as balance these ships a little better without actually having to "balance" the ships in relation to dps or tank which can often be hard to do.
We can all agree just by looking at the capabilities of these ships that they are much more effective ships than any cruiser, and can even be considered to be greater than both bc's and bs's in a lot of scenarios.

So wait... You're saying that the Tengu can't be a bc because it only has 6 hml instead of 7?
Seriously... Even though it has better dps than the drake??

That's like saying that Marauders can't be classified a bs's because they only have 4 turret/launcher points and the fact that they have higher dps doesn't matter.

Hence them being tech 3.

They are still, for the most part, less "powerful" than tech 2 battlecruisers. So we'd have a T3 battlecruiser which is more expensive and less powerful than a tech 2 battlecruiser? That doesn't make much sense.

I love how you faked in a comment, yet you failed to even consider the ending of my post where I specifically said that i can fly and own a tengu

T3s come with drawbacks.

Extra skills (5 of them) that have to be trained that are 100% useless outside of a T3 (and that specific T3, as the skills are racial).
Ridiculously expensive for their performance (T2 BCs tend to be about the same in most areas).
When you lose one you lose SP.

To be honest I imagine a t3 battleship would be extremely cost prohibitive, and killing one would obviously require a gang/capitals/another T3 BS. They'd be like slightly smaller capital ships or marauders that didn't suck. But that's assuming CCP ever make non cruiser class T3s, which they might not.

Anyway, T3s are not really as powerful in terms of DPS and tank as command ships. Try fighting a sleipnir in one and let me know how it goes Those few T3s that do have a comparable tank/DPS output are ridiculously pimped, and I'm guessing that if you spent 1.5b+ on a command ship it would still kick it's ass.

*EDIT: Also, if you're going to make it a battlecruiser class have you considered that you'd have to give it a corresponding capacitor capacity boost. And a buff to it's cargohold? Effectively removing the T3s inherent weakness to neuts and inability to carry large amounts of cap boosters.

This is a reasonable reply... I am willing to admit that I only fly the tengu, therefore my experience with the other 3 is limited.

You can't really balance the tengu better for pvp. It as a ship is perfect for pvp and has many applications.

It's the missiles on the tengu that suck for pvp. However, that's a whole nother thread entirely and there are a few of them going right now.

It's niche is pve.... and/or kiting pvp

OH, i'm agreeing with you completely, but when you look at missiles boats in general, it appears that CCP seems to think kiting and pve are niches