Skill Discussions

Quick simple and short!

You extract SP from your main to move SP from mining skills to pvp, or vice versa and you still suffer the diminishing returns.

This is not fair in this specific situation even though you earned the SP fair and square by training it over time.

In this situation only you should not suffer diminishing returns.

It is about as fair as how many of us trained mining skills in the first place because we were new and did not know better. Then we were stuck with those skills which were basically "wasted" skillpoints in 99.999% of our daily lives.

Getting a diminishing return is better than getting no return at all in you really want those skillpoints.

One of the main reasons that the diminishing returns was added was to prevent people from taking advantage of the situation. Think of a spy account or corp theft that could just move all their skills over to a new toon. You could buy an old toon of the bazaar and basically have a fully trained toon ready to do whatever you needed instantly.

Another reason was to prevent older toons from driving the price super high. The diminishing returns discourages older players from simply buying every skill as to do it, it would be super expensive.

YES, I KNOW THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WHO BOUGH MAX TOONS. THEY ARE THE EXCEPTION AND NOT THE RULE.

Another CPP gimmick to sell the game to noobs. We need the noobs not to be able to jump in ships they are not ready for.
Let them train nice and easy. We had one noob could not fly decent frig but had skills for a BC

Skill extractors are for veterans.

Skill injectors are not for veterans.

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What's vetran? some kind of AD pills?
Skill extractors are fine, they give the opportunity to newbies to catch up with older players (it's also a great way to help out an IRL friend that just started playing) - some of the newbies in my corp now play with that in mind: "whenever I have over 1.7b I'll buy an injector". Yet a *very* (VERY) small minority of players will truly be able to catch up, they'll need to make BUTTLOADS of iskies in order to do so. And if they do it through plexing, then it's no different from the character marketplace.

It would be very dumb to give the full 500k sp of an injector to an account with 80m+ sp.

It's a safe guess that during the design meetings for extractors/injectors, CCP debated the idea of allowing for an extractor to extract straight to unallocated SP on that account for no penalty. Why they decided to reject this we'll never know, but it's probably something they decided didn't add value to the game.

Eh there's still the cost of extractors to help prevent that from happening. You very well may be right that that's the reason, but I think it would have been less of an issue than you think

Given the inaccuracy of your previous comment, your post is void.

I imagine the language you are looking for is that the extractor has the requisite intelligence to recognize the exact brain the skill points came out of and returns them in toto.

The reason this is bad is: it eliminates the need to skill plan entirely. I just remap into Intel/Mem and never again have to remap. I just train the same skills over and over again whenever I need to train any off map skills and then just move the previously-trained-at-optimal-2700sp/hour-rate points. CCP will never do this unless they get rid of attributes and remapping entirely.

TO be honest the diminishing returns didn't bother me that much, i sucked out all of my old Mining, reprocessing, and barge skills that i havent really used since early 2013 and replaced them with Missile, Gunnery, and other supporting skills that i will get much more use out of before i wind up in a retriever again. Sure i was extracting 500K and only getting what 300? 250k? I forget per booster but it still felt worth it to be able to say goodbye to skills that were gathering brain dust and instead do something productive with them.