EVE General Discussion

The entire conversation so far has been about HS wardecs. What do super pilots have to do with HS wardeccing?

You don't need wardecs to hunt supers. Wardecs weren't gutted. Watchlists giving 100% risk free intel were. That's a completely different topic than this thread.

How much of a fight do freighters give?

The problem is that you can't fight Wardeccers! In Null you can take their sov and steal their staging systems. In HS you dock up, wait till the fleet gets bored and start hunting freighters anew. How can the decced force you to fight: You've got nothing to loose. I don't want to erase wardeccs but I want wardeccs that give the decced a chance to fight back. The actual system is so onesided towards the deccer that it is simpy unfair. And before you post it: unfairness may be okay but you can decc a corp for years without giving them any chance to stop you. You might loose a ship to unfairness: thats not nice but eve. But prolonged unfairness is something totally different. The example is bad but fitting: give the mining corps a minedecc where you have to harvest more ore the they are or your shields and armor will be halved. Would you think it is fun if you have to mine each day for years just because someone else thinks that it is fun? I don't think so.
But you think that Eve should you give the option to force your playingstyle on other without any way out but you certainly don't want others to do the same on you (erasing wardeccs).

The point is that the watch list was removed because everyone was using it to check for possible escalations when using supers and titans, so it got changed to a buddy list because of that. CCP failed to assess its affect on other areas, such as hisec war entities using it to hunt along with locator agents, it also affected people being AFK cloaky camped because they could not keep a watch on known hot droppers and WH players who used the watch list to check if the person they saw coming into their WH was online or not. That being said I support its removal. In my opinion the war sec entities were already in the main camping the Hub's and pipes with blanket war dec. But the few that were still doing hunter killing found it was too much hassle to do the work around or actually go full intel.

you are so thoroughly set on ignoring this connection that explaining it in any more painfully blatant language would just be insulting so im going to just ignore you.

yes you can.
their ships explode just like everyone elses.

bait them, isolate one of them , and murder him.

thats the modus operandi, it works, i have done it and had it done to me.

set traps , coordinate , put some thought in.



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Ralph King-Griffin, I would suggest that Sonya Corvinus made some very good points and to just ignore her and brush her off like that is failure on your part. The point she made that I was super impressed with is that you chose to hunt in what is designed to be the safest area in game, by its very nature you are going to be a pack of wolves hunting deer, and yet you expect good fights, every so often you get someone who makes an effort, but they soon get blown up and shown how useless they are at this.

You PvP you have the ability and the knowledge to do this, they on the other hand have the ability and knowledge to make stuff and shoot red crosses in a very controlled way. Seriously do you expect that the general population in hisec have your ability to PvP, god no, I see it in the AG channel, indy players and miners trying to do their bit and having absolutely no idea on how to PvP or any of those mechanics.

When you look at the war dec groups, you will find that they kill mainly 0.0 players doing resupply in hisec, and the few times I have noted a war dec entity get a kicking, is when its another war dec group or one of the 0.0 or WH groups decides to have some fun.

Accept that you are choosing to operate in an area which is devoid of any organised entities who have no will or ability to fight, what else can you expect to find except a complete lack of interesting targets, only something akin to a shooting range. Now I do understand that in some areas around low sec and null sec borders you will find competent hisec based corps, but they go into low sec and null sec for content, the reason I was impressed with your alliance is that you managed to blow up a CEO of one of those who plies his trade in the Querious border from Badivefi.


On another topic, some people have suggested an arena based win the flag structure type thing, that if I lose I have to pay a tax to them, no way am I going to play something forced like that, that is just an awful idea, if that is the case I will go and play Arena Commander on Star Citizen instead...

But the point was a very valid one, you guys have chosen to hunt in the area which is designed to be the safest area in game and yet you complain that you find no engaging content. You can chose to ignore that bitter truth, but it is there staring you right in the face.

You seem to be confused about what a war is. It is not some arranged duel at the sun where honourable warriors engage in a battle only for glory. It is a cut-throat, no-holds-barred, fight for dominance. Going after your enemy's supply lines and logistics is not only legal, but a smart strategy when trying to vanquish your opponent, as is protecting your own industrial and logistics operations.

If some players, like the OP, choose to fight a war by blindly jumping into the trade lanes without support or preparation, they are just bad at fighting wars, especially given you can opt-out of a war at anytime.

Shooting an undefended hauler is every much a fight as some fleet action assaulting a structure. Degrading and destroying your enemy's capacity to wage war is a classic strategy to victory.

I am all for wardeccers having a structure that can be counter-attacked, but what you are complaining is exactly what most of Eve PvP is. You cannot force players to undock. If they don't want to give you a fight, they won't. There is nothing you can do to force gate campers, suicide gankers, hunters stalking in wormholes, or even the large former-nullsec groups like the Imperium and PL which base out of unassailable lowsec stations, to give you a fight. They can attack you and then retreat to their home station and there is absolutely nothing you can do. That's not true actually, you can stalk them, bait them, trick them or just bide your time until they get complacent and get then get the drop on them, but you can't force them to undock.

Wardecs are the norm, not an exception. Eve is unfair and you don't automatically get a chance at revenge if someone beats you. You have to go out there and earn your satisfaction. If you find the imbalanced nature of Eve's PvP "unfun", you should think about spending your leisure time and money on a game you really do enjoy.

I get plenty of engaging content in hisec. But then again, I'm with RvB. Once again though, the disinterest players have in PVP is their own problem. They are playing a PVP game and they should adapt to that, not have the PVP game conform to their PVE preference. That's what Trammel did, and Trammel killed UO.

Regardless if highsec is or isn't the safest are in EVE isn't really the point I feel. Just because CONCORD blaps you for shooting at someone doesn't mean much in what I've experienced.


Highsec has been stagnating for past year. Starting somewhere around last year I've felt the shift.


Regardless if Mercenaries are wolves as you put it Drav. Highsec's Meta has changed drastically to point of non-engagement between any entities with that area. CCP need's change Highsec, Wardec, the way corp interact with each in Highsec to make it reengaging towards those who reside in it. Otherwise it's Nullsec Online and that by far to linear for me.

Nothing you just said refuted my point that EVE is a PVP game, and people who don't like PVP are choosing to play this PVP game, demanding it be adjusted to suit their distaste of PVP. Literally nothing you said refutes this. In fact, everything you just said demonstrates little more than your intentional ignorance of this bottom-line fact of EVE Online.

Also, "EVE isn't UO" doesn't invalidate the example of what happens in the situation as highlighted. High sec is becoming EVE's Trammel. Whether or not you can't see this, or won't see this, your 'refutation' is null and void by the fact that, once again, it fails to refute the example.