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Gun Noob need help with navy mega
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Chelsea Devildriver
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-01-14 23:02:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Chelsea Devildriver
Im skilling towards a Navy mega on my alt. (later kronos)
My main is caldari and i do not know anything about guns zero nada nothing

[Megathron Navy Issue, pve]
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Damage Control II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Large 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I

Federation Navy Tracking Computer, Tracking Speed
Federation Navy Tracking Computer, Tracking Speed
Federation Navy Tracking Computer, Optimal Range
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400

425mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge L
425mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge L
425mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge L
425mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge L
425mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge L
425mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge L
425mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge L
[empty high slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Ogre II x5
Hobgoblin II x10


How does that fit look until i get T2 guns ? Its gonna be used in Blood Raider sanctums.
Know it have some expensive mods are they needed or does T2 work?

Feedback plz.

What do i have to keep in mind using guns?
Any hints u can give wil help.

Anyone tried Navy mega or Kronos in Blood raider sanctums ?
Feedback plz.

How much tracking to one need with guns?
Freyya
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-01-14 23:47:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Freyya
Be smart and do what other people do;

Use a (navy) Domi, minni or amarr ship. They'll serve you more than a rail mega would.

If you insist; 4th magstab is near useless. Use it for tank. Eanm or something.
You don't neccesarily need that many TC's. Warp in at a hundred km and observe frigs and dessies getting one-volleyed (hey t2 sentries can do it, so could rails right?right!?)

As the npc's are burning towards you they dont do it with much angle of approach, they just head straight at you making tracking a non issue. Dunno what typical range blood raiders use in sanctums but i imagine they dont stay at 100 K away. BC's and bs's are large enough to get hits on even if they only burn towards you up to 60-70K, at which range tracking isnt an issue either. That way you can fit something else in your mids for being able to gtfo when a red gets the drop on you; ab/mwd or ecm even P

Lastly; Rails are long range, antimatter doesnt make them any better so just use any other medium/long range ammo with decent damage. Sentry drones work wonders too.

Just my 2 cents really..

Ohh, and use T2 equipment...Sanctums are not lvl 4 highsec missions so people WILL be out to shoot you. No sense in losing that much isk. Totally not cost efficient at all. You never know when the intel printers will have a meltdown and forget to tell you someone angry is heading you way.
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-01-15 00:36:07 UTC
I'd actually suggest a Rokh for this...

[Rokh, New Setup 1]
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

100MN Afterburner II
Gist C-Type Large Shield Booster
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Photon Scattering Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range

425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L

Large Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

606 DPS @ 100km range, you should warp-in at 100km and use the AB to keep your range while you destroy everything from afar. Tank is light though, you can tweak it as you want, swap to Meta 4 guns if you don't have T2
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Syme
Umbra Scientia Muneris
#4 - 2012-01-15 00:59:27 UTC
I use a Navy Mega and it doesn't need expensive mods other than a decent repairer.

I would drop the 4th Mag Stab and replace it with an EANM as stated above.

But the best thing you can do is drop one of the tracking comps and try and fit an AB, rails have a tight sweetspot and you need to keep within that range to get the best out of them.

I also find plutonium more effective against NPCs than AM, it just widens the effective range, but don't forget to fit long range ammo, which you will get through huge amounts of.
Lili Lu
#5 - 2012-01-15 04:32:09 UTC
Put prototype gauss guns on it. The meta 4 hybrid guns. They will perform better. Scouts are meta 4 for projectiles.

I agree about dropping a mag stab. I think your tank is a little weak and the fourth mag stab is probably expendable in comparison. I never ran Blood Raider Sanctums, but I have run Angel sanctums. I would not take a comparatively fit ship as yours into one of those. I do not think it would get the job done. Because the tank will probably get overwhelmed.

Also, you have an empty high slot. Surely you still have some fitting left? Are you running out of grid or cpu? Put a drone link augmentor, missile launcher, or nosferatu of whatever size you can fit. And, you may want to just forego the heavy drones for a flight of 5 Hammerheads. Heavy drones are so infuriatingly slow you might end up doing more dps from mediums simply because of them applying their damage quicker. With the extra drone bay you could fit some spares and/or a flight of medium or light ecm drones in case you get tackled and want a chance to break the scram lock to warp out to a pos or ss.

Put 800s in your cap booster. A heavy cap booster II can load 5 at a time. And train into a tech II LAR asap. It's just better than the meta 4 LAR.
Chelsea Devildriver
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-01-15 16:44:27 UTC


The way to go in a Navy mega is to warp at 100 and kill **** at range?

No warp to 0 and start the mayhem .?



Optimal and Falloff what effect do that have on dps ?


Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#7 - 2012-01-15 19:58:08 UTC
Chelsea Devildriver wrote:
Optimal and Falloff what effect do that have on dps ?



Inside optimal, the gun can do its effective dps. Past optimal, you're into falloff.

Say you have a ship with 100 damage at optimal range, 10km optimal and 10km falloff. Without taking tracking into account, at 10km, you're doing full damage. At 20km, you're doing half damage, and at 30km you're effectively doing no damage.

To get a better view of what optimal and falloff do, put a gunship into the dps graph on eft or Pyfa (the Pyfa one is better for this IMO) and tweak the fit around, as well as the target. Start by shooting at a stationary target, to get an idea of what damage is done at what range, then have the target ship move progressively faster and/or change its sig radius, to get an idea of how tracking plays into it.

Keep in mind that tracking and sig radius are effectively irrelevant when both the attacker and target are sitting still.

thhief ghabmoef
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#8 - 2012-01-15 20:01:22 UTC
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:

Say you have a ship with 100 damage at optimal range, 10km optimal and 10km falloff. Without taking tracking into account, at 10km, you're doing full damage. At 20km, you're doing half damage, and at 30km you're effectively doing no damage.


It would be more accurate to say that at 20km you're doing 40% of your damage. But you have better "effective tracking" so sometimes its worth it.

-Liang

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