Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You are fun, well he does haunt this thread doesn't he, I just came to put an idea forward and check to see how it goes and every so often remid people of the idea when they go on about local. Rather different to Mr Troll.

POS's are no longer going to be in the game, I suppose you want to have some mechanic that picks up a character from his captains quarters, drops him in his ship and forces him outside, sounds great for easy kills for people like you. What you could have is a structure that enables you to hack other structures, would you be fine with that?

You and I agree totally on the watch list removal, but it has had some negative affects in some areas, which is why I wanted to balance off against, in terms of mercs having a tool to do hunter killer work and something to help in terms of dealing with drops.

I want all the NPC kill data, people in systems data and all that stuff that makes people easy to zero in on removed too, are you fine with that? I found a lot of people who wanted local removed did not want that free intel removed because it was too difficult to find someone to kill, but it works both ways. I want local replaced by a structure that does it which is what will happen in 0.0.

Nope, I am clear on the above, you see I noted that a lot of trolls kept on saying they are AFK so there is no risk, so I asked one if he would accept an AFK flag if that did not mattered and it did matter... The thing is that I come at this from the angle of hunting campers and that I find a lot of fun. I have a lot to offer on this subject because instead of meekly accepting cloaky AFK camping I worked against it. And I have more right then you to give my opinions on this subject. For example I joined a renter 0.0 alliance in 2010 which was being camped by three Test SB's a day later I had organised a trap for them and we killed all three, I have moved systems and caught them on gates, I have baited them, I have used smaller faster ships all the stuff that people suggested and I have beat some so hard that they left, but I have also been beaten by NCDOT. players too. So there you go, I have the total right to give my opinion.

I am not the player you are searching for...

I am referring to another person who seems to have made this thread his personal property, it would be rather interesting to do a post count on that person. Just an amused observation, Mr Troll seems to be following me around in other threads by the way.

Well people go get safe in a station or Citadel or POS shield, well in a POS you can see them there, in NPC 0.0 you can dock up to check up if they are there. In Sov 0.0 you of course cannot, but that is because they took the time to conquer it and hold the space, I guess they should have some reward for that. A small gang can't do anything against that, well yes whats wrong with that, if you want to kill them get more friends.

Then we sort of agree in terms of the structures, I want a whole new cat and mouse and space conflict around these structures, but I don't want them just hacked by some lame mini game, I want them hacked by a specific structure that needs to be setup to do just that. You ideas on structures resonates with me quite well, excellent ideas and I hope CCP listens to you on them.

Is it wrong that people who own the system and took it have that ability? The use of BLOPS is very powerful if properly done, it will close down use of any system outside of the main TZ and depending on who is doing the dropping even the main TZ. At that point they might as well just take the system... I have hunted cloakers, and been hunted by them, one guy who was a top killer in and a legend with other Russians in Stain decided to hunt me, turned up in his Legion in the system I was belt ratting. So I waited about ten minutes then changed system, an hour later he came into my system, rinse repeat 30 times, then he went elsewhere. A top killer who relied on people thinking he was AFK, well well so much work on his part. People have interceptors that are immune to bubbles, there is always logoffskis. I ratted in a carrier but refused to use sentries because I could not align, during that period so many Carriers died it was silly, I did not... It was an attitude of mind, I am not one of these people who whines because I can. I have setup to kill BLOPS and know how difficult it is in reality and people who say just counter drop them, often had no idea who long people like me worked to kill them.

I can kill campers who do something who are ATK I cannot kill those who are AFK, I do not want to waste my time baiting out people who are AFK, this is my reason for asking for an AFK flag. I no longer do this because I am totally bored having done so much baiting of people who are either asleep, shagging the wife or at work. That is not fun period, which is why I am not happy with the current state of affairs. I am against reducing the value of the cloak, I don't want fuel, I am also not happy with a decloak system either as other people have asked, but would accept it because I could now hunt and kill that plonker who is AFK. Your example of a BR is something that I do and that is a reason I agree with you on decloaking, it is not optimal at all for gameplay. But you also get the intel on local at the moment, going foward you will not, bear that in mind...

Control of local should go to the person who owns that system and who has put the infrastructure in place, which is what CCP are going to do in Sov 0.0 You have the opinion that people want local and a way to remove cloakers cloak, I see people wanting to remove local and leave in all the information that enable them to find active people. My narrow focus is purely on the act of interacting with people who are AFK, which I detest. If I had my way local would require structures, all that free intel on the map and Dotlan would be gone period.

People in WH's for example watch their holes, they used their watch list to check if that person they spotted was on or not, they could then work out the risk, having seen what he was in. No cyno's means no unknown drops, of course you have logoffskis's. But the thing is that the WH player has now to check the WH chain, to see just what could come in, so if they have a chain to a major WH group then they know that using their ratting ships would not go well. Compare that to 0.0 and lowsec, you cannot control that, so local balances up against that.

I just want to repeat what my issue is, I hate the AFK part of it period and that is what I would prefer is dealt with.

No, you don't, what makes you so special that you have more right to express an opinion than others?

You have the same right to express your opinions as everybody else who plays Eve, no more, no less.

Some opinions are uninformed, misinformed, self serving or otherwise not in keeping with the nature of the game, the people who hold them are entitled to express them, and people with opposing opinions are entitled to shoot them down.

Oh my! I'm having more words shoved into my mouth, and it taste like... Well crap.

So what you are saying is that if you remove local, all of space people have conquered will be loss? Man, you really do want to be safe as **** in your little nullsec mining camp don't you? There is not hypocritic with me wanting the total rework of intel mechanics you know why? (Also are you high by chance?)

It will make it harder for both the attackers and defenders.

Adding in things like afk flags, probes that space magic their way in finding a cloaked vessel that suppose to not be find-able unless they perform some kind of action or even better, the ability to set up an structure that can space magic decloak EVERYONE in system.[sarcasm] Like that totally can't be abused at all when combined with the current local mechanics [/sarcasm]

I'm in this thread to prevent people from having their cake and eating as well. So far the suggestions to deal with cloaks are so ******* bad that it makes my eye balls bleed reading them



Let me correct you on something. Null sec is lawless section of space, if you want laws then you are going to enforce them yourself, if you don't want that cloaker in your system then you should of had better defenses. Simple-As-That.

Nonsense? Why dear reader, May I point out that the only one being a sissy is you.

You are afraid of a heavily gimped ship that may have the possability of killing you if you solo-mine or solo-rat without being PVP equipped.

Dear Reader, you fail to take into account that even a small pvp fitted fleet is enough to scare off a heavily combat gimped ship. Thus they won't attack you.

Dear reader, the only one being a sissy is you.

There are hundreds of way to trap, bait, or capture cloaking vessels, use your imagination, or go back to high sec.

Then would that be a problem of cynos? Also a cloaked ship is still a heavily gimped ship, now they activated a cyno... now they have to sit still in a ship that is heavily gimped in both defense and attack wise.... So you have two possabilities. Having your standing fleet pop the fool before the enemy fleet lands

Or flee.

That is just two possibilities.

Jeezus, it like people have to spell out everything for you.

... So.... Nudge...right..... Being dropped with minimal losses, so you yourself have confirmed that cloakers using cynos can be counters.


Then why in all hell bells are you bringing it up in the first place.

I removed the useless information of the post and will now focus on this.

AFK flags are terrible for a number of reasons: First they will be abused hell and back by alliances that want perfect safety.

Honestly I think you have a really thick skull, because you seem to only care about your perspective on things. The reason why most cloakers go afk or make themselves look afk is because the perfect local intel system scares off any targets,

So
We
Must
Make
Local
Lie

I know you have trouble understanding simple concepts but let me spell it out for you, seeing for someone who so big about waving around their supposed Experienced E-peen, you seem to have a total lack of understanding on why AFK cloaking been around for as long as it has.

Local ---Forces ----Us ----to --- waste ---time-----To-----Make----Targets-----Appear.

So in basic concept of balance, you must waste time to figure out when the cloaker is in ATK phase, it actually a pretty easy concept to understand.

If you want the ability to produce probes that forces people out of cloaks, then I want an ability to force people out of stations or citadels or stations that don't require an entire fleet to destroy said structure.

But hey, you already have millions of ways to capture and kill cloakers, while cloakers has only a limited number of solutions to make targets pop up and get them out of hiding. Most of them sadly involve going afk to make local lie

Again, how do you know a cloaking ship is in system? How? What tells you he is there if not local. No local and you'd have zero evidence he is there.

This is BS it is just very, very simple logic. No local, no AFK camping with cloaking ships...or the effect is nil.