Player Features and Ideas Discussion

With HTP pretty much only doing that and infamous on our doorstep that is always a likely outcome the blops bit anyway.
And i'm extrapolating a little here, But with a month or two's training yes they could be tanked. But a month or two doesn't prepare you for a gank like that.




I'm not saying we should only need five guys, We could have a hundred and that guy would still be there cloaked in his perch till the QRF fleet disbands because it's been hours and they haven't moved.

I'm against the idea of perfect intel as much are you,
I am pro hunting, pro pvp and pro a more dangerous nullsec lifestyle.

But all things need a balance, Local is unbalanced, Cloaking when used this way is unbalanced.
They both probably need changing to fix this.

If somebody puts the effort in to hunt, they should get rewarded for it. That goes both ways.
I'm not saying it should be easy, but New Eden isn't easy.

I'm not really talking for myself here, I might not be the biggest pvper on this toon (being my indy alt) but i know my way around a ship.
What i do know is that it isn't really viable to always have a Sabre parked off the belt, your talking about taking the enjoyment of one player away because they have to be sat parked doing effectively nothing (aside from killing the occasional rat) just incase somebody drops.

If intel wasn't perfect i would agree, Top cover might become more viable if it becomes less clear. But if Intel stays how it is, your effectively taking somebody (who could be doing something else) to sit and look at schrodinger's cloaky.

And the rewards comment was poking at the reward for trying to hunt the hunter. Which most often just comes up with somebody very bored and a dead ratter 3 hours after because the guy came back from eating his burrito.

Ratters countering drops has been tried, When they dropped a Rev that kind of stopped.
Now it seems people just roll over and accept that they have to dock up cause they can't fight them.

Pitiful argument. Nobody is forcing you to be a ******** camper staying cloaked all day long without having any risk of being countered. If you want to do isks, don't be ******** and rat, mine, produce. If you stay cloaked all day long, you don't deserve neither isks, SPs or resources.

Note I said an alt.

Aside from that, if you aren't willing to take the steps necessary to protect yourself, then I'm not sure what can be done. If you live in NS, your safety is largely up to you and the players you associate with. If you aren't going to do it...well, that is kind of on you.

As for hunting an AFK cloaker, even a "failure" tells you something. Either he is not there, or suspects a trap and won't engage. Either way, you know something now: you can do stuff.

What I find interesting is that there are 2 ways to deal with an AFK cloaker.

1. Turtle up--everyone docks and spins ships, JCs out to empire, or even log off and play other games or do something else entirely.
2. Get more people out in space doing Stuff­™. This strategy is based on using a standing fleet and people fitting ships appropriately.

My current example was 5 guys mining as a group in procs and skiffs with omni tanks, plus 5 guys killing anomalies as a group. Get suitable boosts set up in system as well. Now you have 10 guys who can respond. Might help to have people in similar set ups as well. Maybe put neuts on the ratting ships so that they can neut out the tank of any attacker. Plus with 10 people sitting and doing stuff, there is a very high chance somebody will notice a local spike right away. Get on comms so information can be shred quickly. Everyone in the same standing fleet means people can warp to whomever is in need.

The idea here is based on that old adage. You don't have to outrun the bear, you just have to outrun anyone you are with. Make yourself a less attractive target and they'll go find a more attractive one. Goons used to use this kind of approach. People would rat in carriers with cynos. They'd get dropped, bleat for help on comms, and when people were ready to go, they'd light the cyno and help would arrive.

Dude, the risk vs reward stuff is not even my post. The only thing it does is proving that cloaky camping is broken AF and needs a nerf.

Yeah well, I think that the fact that we are on a thread with like 300+ pages with complains about cloaky camping is just me not liking it...

Oh, and speaking about arguments, I gave you a bunch of arguments in a previous post, but I guess that the fact you didn't see them is because you just don't want to admit that cloaking is broken.

The only moment I was wrong was when I believed that you were able to understand the matter with cloaking (that I am not the only one to point here tho).

Dude, I don't even know if yourself are believing the massive BS you are saying.

They are interacting with people in game while AFK, because there is no way to know if they are AFK, so the AFK flag which I have proposed will deal with that.

Teckos Pech haunts this thread for some reason, pretty sad to be honest, and its the same bull all the time. Notice how easily he slips into insult mode and circular logic. He is a HTFU troll that wants to prevent any changes to this gameplay.

I do not want any changes to cloaks, I do not want fuel required either, however my preferred option is an AFK flag which is dependent on the use of a Observatory Structure which sits behind the one that you have to give local in 0.0. In other areas this structure will sit behind the local offered by the NPC that controls the area. In terms of other structures which de-cloak them with a spool up and significant initialisation timer or enable a probe to locate them I would support them too.

When I was in 0.0 my focus was hunting and killing these people and rubbing their noses in it.

The changes to the watch list to a buddy list have changed things even more, because the trick wa to identify the actual droppers and have them on your watch list, so you could operate and as soon as they logged on you got safe. That has gone, now where is the balance against the loss of that intel in terms fo the game, CCP have failed to give something back for that loss of very important intel which helped in negating the affects of this lame tactic.

People here are trying to get local removed, as if that makes any difference to this, all it does is gives them easier kills. I am now going to say something which I know they will use against me, I have opposed ganking in hisec in play and also in trying to get some of the advantages removed, AFK cloaky camping to drop a BLOPS gang on a single ratter is totally akin to ganking in hisec. It is a perfect execution style attack which is very difficult to oppose, just like freighter ganking in hisec. Both can be done, but require a massive investment in time or effort. A real life military would make an effort on this, but we are talking about a game here, which means that in hisec 0.0 alliances are moving Fortizers in freighters without any fleet to deal with the gankers, which means that in 0.0 these people prey on people outside the main TZ's and have a psychological effect on the real very high risk of being hot dropped.

Local does not matter in WH's because there is whole control, the only real risk is missing something coming in when inactive and of course logoffskis.

These people who try to downplay the destructive impact on the game of AFK gameplay are the worst of the worst in my opinion and all get an A+ in being hypocrites.