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Anyone else find the docking/undocking thing annoying?

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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#121 - 2016-07-01 05:07:21 UTC
W33b3l wrote:
I never understand how a company that could make something like EVE, has a complete inability to work around these issues.

Yeah, I can pull crazy conspiracy theories out of my obsessively pattern matching brain about what could be the reason. Here's one:

Old CCP had more aspies in the company than new CCP. The old CCP made the game it was passionate about, because if you're an aspie that is pretty much the only game you are capable of making effectively. These people were sometimes difficult to work with but impressive in their own ways. Over time they left CCP or moved to roles where they no longer have as close an association with the actual game development. As a result the game started to become less aspie friendly and more "neuro-typical" friendly.

As CCP gained more staff and that office got busier, those Aspies may have found themselves less comfortable in that environment. As newer development methodologies were adopted they found it increasingly difficult. Things like having standing-only meetings, having heavily glazed and open plan offices, or just having a lot of change in the workplace is pretty hard for an Aspie to handle. That was certainly my experience and part of what ended 12 years working in software for me, but for a different company with a different three letter name, not CCP.

W33b3l wrote:
Ive heard a lot of complaints about this in the past. Hopefully people can find a way to show CCP that a potion of the people complaining about it are not just doing it to complain and actually have a medical condition they cant help and they just want to be able to play the game. Ide look to the CSM but Ive giving up on that. If people made the word Autism more prevalent and got CCP's attention about it maybe they might take notice IDK.

It's funny you mention that... what with Xenuria and all that.

W33b3l wrote:
I dont know you in game (however this is my main but I dont play a lot anymore) but going by the hardware you have to play the game.. I trust your concern is valid and I wish you luck.

Thanks!
W33b3l
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#122 - 2016-07-01 05:47:14 UTC  |  Edited by: W33b3l
Bad Bobby wrote:
W33b3l wrote:
I never understand how a company that could make something like EVE, has a complete inability to work around these issues.

Yeah, I can pull crazy conspiracy theories out of my obsessively pattern matching brain about what could be the reason. Here's one:

Old CCP had more aspies in the company than new CCP. The old CCP made the game it was passionate about, because if you're an aspie that is pretty much the only game you are capable of making effectively. These people were sometimes difficult to work with but impressive in their own ways. Over time they left CCP or moved to roles where they no longer have as close an association with the actual game development. As a result the game started to become less aspie friendly and more "neuro-typical" friendly.

As CCP gained more staff and that office got busier, those Aspies may have found themselves less comfortable in that environment. As newer development methodologies were adopted they found it increasingly difficult. Things like having standing-only meetings, having heavily glazed and open plan offices, or just having a lot of change in the workplace is pretty hard for an Aspie to handle. That was certainly my experience and part of what ended 12 years working in software for me, but for a different company with a different three letter name, not CCP.

W33b3l wrote:
Ive heard a lot of complaints about this in the past. Hopefully people can find a way to show CCP that a potion of the people complaining about it are not just doing it to complain and actually have a medical condition they cant help and they just want to be able to play the game. Ide look to the CSM but Ive giving up on that. If people made the word Autism more prevalent and got CCP's attention about it maybe they might take notice IDK.

It's funny you mention that... what with Xenuria and all that.

W33b3l wrote:
I dont know you in game (however this is my main but I dont play a lot anymore) but going by the hardware you have to play the game.. I trust your concern is valid and I wish you luck.

Thanks!


Ya Ive been playing a long time. Not since release but a long damn time,. 3 accounts no plex with a monthly sub (paying the most) fir a long time. I really miss CCP soundwave and the old CCP. People say EVE is dying but its not. The original EVE however is dying.. assuming you car argue that it is not already dead. I've been extremely adimate about the fact new devs are why these things are happening. I fell in love with the original design team. I know thier history. I fell head over heals for this game back when the people making it where the people that had the passion for it. It was thier baby. New blood is diluting this game. The fact that guard and hilmar are still around and letting some of these things happen scares me. Ive thought the same as you for awhile.
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#123 - 2016-07-01 06:11:22 UTC
W33b3l wrote:
The fact that guard and hilmar are still around and letting some of these things happen scares me. Ive thought the same as you for awhile.

Well, the pattern is there. That is why I can see it. I'm not mad, I don't hallucinate things, I spot things.

The problem is relevance. Is all that stuff I typed just a lot of data points and an unjustified interpretation drawn from them, or is it the cosmic truth of the universe? How they hell do I know? Hence I call it what it is: a crazy conspiracy theory.

When I look at my own issues I have a better gauge for relevance: is this going to stop me enjoying this game?

It's easy to tell the things that do stop me from enjoying the game:

The new docking animation.
The new camera.
The "new" jump transition.
The "new" death transition.
The "new" UI & overview.
The new map.

These are usability issues for me. It's not that I'm just a whiny little ***** (not just), it's that those things make the game unnecessarily difficult for me. I do adapt to a lot of the changes, but some of them I struggle with because the game interface has effectively been made "harder" for me.
Buliki
Publicly Owned Customs Offices
#124 - 2016-07-02 03:47:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Buliki
It is almost certain that CCP is infiltrated. Only some of you will know what I'm talking about, but I think it would be the same group that ruined ALL GAMES RELEASED SINCE 2011.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#125 - 2016-07-02 04:00:06 UTC
Buliki wrote:

P.S. It is almost certain that CCP is infiltrated. Only some of you will know what I'm talking about, but I think it would be the same group that ruined ALL GAMES RELEASED SINCE 2011.


http://i.imgur.com/XS5LK.gif

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#126 - 2016-07-02 07:00:47 UTC
Well (cautious) rejoice there is a toggle on the way: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6550145#post6550145
Pixel Piracy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#127 - 2016-07-02 07:31:07 UTC
This is all I hear about recently

Should they make it optional? Yes - if only to shut up all the cry babies.

Seriously if you manage to get motion sickness from this you need to leave the house more. Also maybe a video game set in three dimensional XYZ space wasn't the best pick if you've the visual fortitude of an 80 year old.
Pakokkie
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#128 - 2016-07-02 08:16:09 UTC
I have not read any of the other comments, so what I have to say might be already said.

The undocking / docking animation is the most anoying thing ever implemented in EVE.

PLEASE remove it asap. It disturbes the gameplay. While undocking and trying to get ready for pvp a pilot first has to take care of the bullcrap animation.

I see only one solution for this problem, fire the person who thought this up and spent resources that could have been used to finish the walking in station feature.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#129 - 2016-07-02 11:14:25 UTC
Of all the things wrong with the game you people choose this?
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#130 - 2016-07-02 11:37:13 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Of all the things wrong with the game you people choose this?


Personally I find it very annoying having that animation run over and over again. It doesn't even make sense as I login and [dockin animation]. Here me was thinking when I logged out I already was docked.


What would you like to see looked at Baltec? Big smile
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#131 - 2016-07-02 11:41:34 UTC
Pixel Piracy wrote:
This is all I hear about recently

Should they make it optional? Yes - if only to shut up all the cry babies.

Seriously if you manage to get motion sickness from this you need to leave the house more. Also maybe a video game set in three dimensional XYZ space wasn't the best pick if you've the visual fortitude of an 80 year old.



The amount of compassion and empathy you have on display here for your fellow human beings went off my radar...




... into the abyss. Ugh
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#132 - 2016-07-02 11:43:38 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Of all the things wrong with the game you people choose this?


Personally I find it very annoying having that animation run over and over again. It doesn't even make sense as I login and [dockin animation]. Here me was thinking when I logged out I already was docked.


What would you like to see looked at Baltec? Big smile


The cancer that is T3.
Arsine Elgan
Doomheim
#133 - 2016-07-02 13:11:39 UTC
Nid wrote:
Well, 10,000 SP daily to make people undock didn't work well.

So this docking animation was created so people never to docked again, ever.


CCP Claymore wrote:
Torgeir Hekard wrote:
Kill it with fire. Launch the ashes into the eve gate. While we are at it, do the same for gate jumps and the new map.

All this pretty but cheesy stuff distracts me from effectively operating the spreadsheets.


Gate jump animation I can't comment on. New Map is on my team and something I would like us to take a serious look at.


Yep, denounces gate jump animation, enables far worse animations. Devs now scrambling to clean up CCP Claymore's mess.

Why is he here? They need to get rid of him before he screws up more crap.

13 years of devs and they would not enable movie trailer footage in game Causality Trailer

Even in that video it wasn't as lame as what was done in the game.

I don't care what you think, if you ever think at all.

Kaivarian Coste
High Sec Express
#134 - 2016-07-02 13:33:14 UTC
Pixel Piracy wrote:

Seriously if you manage to get motion sickness from this you need to leave the house more. Also maybe a video game set in three dimensional XYZ space wasn't the best pick if you've the visual fortitude of an 80 year old.


The original Elite had a docking/undocking sequence, and the option to turn it off.

This was back in 1984.
Buliki
Publicly Owned Customs Offices
#135 - 2016-07-02 13:56:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Buliki
Welcome to EVE Online, I love You.
Varcutii Renalard
#136 - 2016-07-02 14:33:43 UTC
CCP Darwin wrote:
Aramatheia wrote:
Even at the best of times from the start of that transition where the ship disappears to gaining access to station facilities has increased by at least 20 seconds for me.


Can you bug report this by pressing F12 and clicking the Report Bug button?


Can you develop a forced camera movement anywhere in eve, disable option in settings, instead?
CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
#137 - 2016-07-03 00:18:49 UTC
Varcutii Renalard wrote:
Can you develop a forced camera movement anywhere in eve, disable option in settings, instead?

If you have feedback on what you'd like to have controlled by such an option, I suggest posting in the appropriate feedback thread, where people who can do such a thing (and btw I'm not one of them) will be sure to see it.

CCP Darwin  •  Senior Software Engineer, Art & Graphics, EVE Online  •  @mark_wilkins

Cj Allyn
Un4seen Development
Sev3rance
#138 - 2016-07-04 19:41:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Cj Allyn
Yeah its pretty broken for me, takes twice as long to load the station now and the camera thing just goes batshit like shaking all over when you come in. Stop adding useless features no one wants, and optimize the game.

The amount of time it takes to develop this feature could have been spent optimizing the unlocking and docking process increasing efficiency and time.

The vectors and orbit patterns is very cool however something that will help new players out greatly.
Gate overhaul good.
New camera: dont look at a ship unless i say look at ship.
New stuff in general, have the ability to enable and disable things because some or most people dont like it.

I swear ive been paying and playing for 3+ years now and it feels like an a game still in beta. If i wanted to play a beta i would. Listen to your customers that is what we are not your test subjects.
aldhura
Blackjack and Exotic Dancers
Top Tier
#139 - 2016-07-04 19:56:27 UTC
How does this all add to the advertised "PVP sandbox" ??? Guess that means I don't like it Blink better places to spend dev time imo
Demolishar
United Aggression
#140 - 2016-07-04 20:33:58 UTC
There is now a checkbox on sisi Blink