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June release 118.6 - General feedback

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CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
#381 - 2016-06-30 15:45:10 UTC
Kremlath wrote:
I realize that, I'm just pulling your chain, perhaps that doesn't come through well. The main point is I'd like a response about the camera issue.

I don't have any details to share, but I understand that Team Psycho Sisters are looking at options for changing the docking animation in response to the feedback here.

CCP Darwin  •  Senior Software Engineer, Art & Graphics, EVE Online  •  @mark_wilkins

Kaivarian Coste
Whale Patrol
#382 - 2016-06-30 15:52:07 UTC
One thing I like is the wallet popup that happens whenever you make some ISK. +1 to CCP on that feature. :)
Kremlath
Cayman Finance
#383 - 2016-06-30 15:53:36 UTC
Well thanks a lot for sharing what you know, that makes a difference. At least we now know that the comments are not simply being ignored. It's a shame a representative from the team itself couldn't have come on with something like 'We hear you guys, and are considering options'. Fingers crossed.
Arhet Fre'emen
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#384 - 2016-06-30 15:56:29 UTC
CCP Darwin wrote:
Kremlath wrote:
1) No, we're not adding options to the options menu because that makes things 'complex'

I commented to point out that requesting an additional option toggle is not as helpful as explaining why the feature bothers you, because the graphics software team (my team) is currently working on simplifying the graphics settings options.

A different team than mine is responsible for the docking animation, and despite that they haven't posted here, they are reading all of the feedback.



I might be alone in this, but I actually dislike the design ideology behind what you're saying here. Personally I want my settings menu to be filled to the brim with all kinds of complex settings options that allow me to customize the setting to the specific way I want them.

Usually "simplifying" something means that you also have to take away customizability to achieve the simplicity. Maybe do an advanced/simple graphics settings menu toggle which allows those of us who it, like to be nerdy and find the settings we find to work best for our machines. I know it's old fashioned and silly, but when ever you take away options it kinda feels like you're telling us that we don't know what we're doing. I'm just the silly nerd who wants my stuff to be complex and leave the simple stuff to the mac crowd Lol
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#385 - 2016-06-30 16:00:29 UTC
If cost is a consideration, I'd happily fork over 200 PLEX towards the cost of adding the toggle.

I'm sure we could do a whip round, PLEX for accessibility or whatever. It's not ideal, but if the options are to pay a premium for accessibility features or to be forced out of EVE, I'd accept the former.
Sergey Hawk
The Sith Syndicate
REFORD
#386 - 2016-06-30 16:13:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergey Hawk
CCP Darwin wrote:
Kremlath wrote:
I realize that, I'm just pulling your chain, perhaps that doesn't come through well. The main point is I'd like a response about the camera issue.

I don't have any details to share, but I understand that Team Psycho Sisters are looking at options for changing the docking animation in response to the feedback here.

Changing???
OH MY GOD!!!
Is in your company can not read?
Simply remove this sh.t and forget that it was created.
Do not waste OUR money on pointless cinematic effects

Aura: "You need to be within range to execute this function."

Kimi Räikkönen: “Leave me alone, I know what I’m doing.”

Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#387 - 2016-06-30 16:20:35 UTC
CCP Darwin wrote:
I understand that Team Psycho Sisters are looking at options for changing the docking animation in response to the feedback here.


Of course i was awaiting an answer like that. 95% of the feedback from the players asks for a toggle, and you will "change the animation" Roll
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#388 - 2016-06-30 16:28:36 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:
If cost is a consideration, I'd happily fork over 200 PLEX towards the cost of adding the toggle.

I'm sure we could do a whip round, PLEX for accessibility or whatever. It's not ideal, but if the options are to pay a premium for accessibility features or to be forced out of EVE, I'd accept the former.

I have the PLEX ready.
Makareena
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#389 - 2016-06-30 16:37:07 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:
Bad Bobby wrote:
If cost is a consideration, I'd happily fork over 200 PLEX towards the cost of adding the toggle.

I'm sure we could do a whip round, PLEX for accessibility or whatever. It's not ideal, but if the options are to pay a premium for accessibility features or to be forced out of EVE, I'd accept the former.

I have the PLEX ready.


If your smartphone was ok for 3 months, and the manufacturer would release a patch to it that makes it crap, or makes it look bad in comparison to the newer one (iphone tactic)... Would you pay them ADDITIONAL money to make it work good AGAIN ?
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#390 - 2016-06-30 16:43:39 UTC
Makareena wrote:
Bad Bobby wrote:
Bad Bobby wrote:
If cost is a consideration, I'd happily fork over 200 PLEX towards the cost of adding the toggle.

I'm sure we could do a whip round, PLEX for accessibility or whatever. It's not ideal, but if the options are to pay a premium for accessibility features or to be forced out of EVE, I'd accept the former.

I have the PLEX ready.


If your smartphone was ok for 3 months, and the manufacturer would release a patch to it that makes it crap, or makes it look bad in comparison to the newer one (iphone tactic)... Would you pay them ADDITIONAL money to make it work good AGAIN ?

You might not, but that's because you're not used to having to pay extra to cover your disabilities. It's often just the way things get done.
Valkin Mordirc
#391 - 2016-06-30 16:46:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
CCP Darwin wrote:
Kremlath wrote:
I realize that, I'm just pulling your chain, perhaps that doesn't come through well. The main point is I'd like a response about the camera issue.

I don't have any details to share, but I understand that Team Psycho Sisters are looking at options for changing the docking animation in response to the feedback here.



WOO!

For the Docking Camera,

I said it once, but, the camera is to far zoomed in, and it only really need's to happen once. I understand that you guys don't want to remove it entirely, but for the most part I think people are having a knee-jerk reaction and it's gaining momentum in the wrong direction seeing as the post here are becoming more and more hostile.


But thanks for listening though and letting us know that the change is incoming.
#DeleteTheWeak
Makareena
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#392 - 2016-06-30 16:50:17 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:
Makareena wrote:
Bad Bobby wrote:
Bad Bobby wrote:
If cost is a consideration, I'd happily fork over 200 PLEX towards the cost of adding the toggle.

I'm sure we could do a whip round, PLEX for accessibility or whatever. It's not ideal, but if the options are to pay a premium for accessibility features or to be forced out of EVE, I'd accept the former.

I have the PLEX ready.


If your smartphone was ok for 3 months, and the manufacturer would release a patch to it that makes it crap, or makes it look bad in comparison to the newer one (iphone tactic)... Would you pay them ADDITIONAL money to make it work good AGAIN ?

You might not, but that's because you're not used to having to pay extra to cover your disabilities. It's often just the way things get done.


Shouldnt be like that, and its this way because people are fueling this sort of "fixing" things.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#393 - 2016-06-30 17:20:37 UTC
Yay, the cyno out sounds and cyno landing sounds are back. \o/

UI Improvement Collective

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Tyran Crow
Conquering Darkness
#394 - 2016-06-30 17:20:37 UTC
Since the patch I have been making much more use out of the Captains Quarters.. has anyone else noticed that you cant rotate/zoom in/out on the fitting screen or when looking at an image of a ship in the viewer? Once you switch to the hanger everything functions normally... Not only did the docking animation addition break my eyes it also appears to have broken other #*^$ too.
Grookshank
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#395 - 2016-06-30 17:29:26 UTC
CCP Darwin wrote:
Kremlath wrote:
I realize that, I'm just pulling your chain, perhaps that doesn't come through well. The main point is I'd like a response about the camera issue.

I don't have any details to share, but I understand that Team Psycho Sisters are looking at options for changing the docking animation in response to the feedback here.

I really was against the docking animation since it hit SISI, but now that I see that you just added it to troll us, I think it actually fits eve.

First we get told "no toggles" next we get a toggle for something else and now you tell us that team psycho sisters, which already did amazing work on not finishing the new map and the new probe scanner window, considers making the docking animation worse. Really 10/10, keep it up :)
Castelo Selva
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#396 - 2016-06-30 17:30:14 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Well, today, you have to manually spin the ships around to be able to spin them in stations. But back in the days of 'The Second Genesis' and 'Exodus' expansions, you could basicly just enable an option to let the ships spins themself in station.

Have a look at this video that shows you the Caracal, Raven and some other ships automaticly spinning in station where the ship fitting window is also opened: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_DoVBKozkc

Look from 27 seconds to see the Caracal. And if you go to 9 minutes and 8 seconds, you can see the Raven do the same spin.

This option to let the ships spins themself is the option i want back. And i'm sure many other old school players want's this back to Big smile.


This ^^^^

I really want it back!

Go Camera Team!
Kremlath
Cayman Finance
#397 - 2016-06-30 18:03:20 UTC
Tyran Crow wrote:
Since the patch I have been making much more use out of the Captains Quarters.. has anyone else noticed that you cant rotate/zoom in/out on the fitting screen or when looking at an image of a ship in the viewer? Once you switch to the hanger everything functions normally... Not only did the docking animation addition break my eyes it also appears to have broken other #*^$ too.



Yes, this is broken for me too.
Elwha Lynx
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#398 - 2016-06-30 18:57:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Elwha Lynx
Generally the cinematic and graphical improvements need to be added to keep the game competitive with other games as new players consider playing this wonderful game.

That being said, as a first maxim for all such considerations needs to be :"Does it interfere or appear to interfere with core game play." Hence the specific problem with the undocking animation. Core game play in hostile space requires a player see what's around them to decide whether to fight, re-dock or as quickly as possible get off the undock to a bookmark. The old way faced the view in the wrong direction. This new animation makes it far worse, because even if you click the screen, most of the time the animation takes control of the view and either zooms in so tight and in the wrong direction all you can see it your own ship, or so far out it's hard to sort through multiple other ships--either way takes time to reacquire control.

By all means, make the game pretty and immersive---BUT NEVER at the expense of good game play.
Aid Bringer
Kockegg Industries
Hard Knocks Citizens
#399 - 2016-06-30 19:26:24 UTC
CCP Turtlepower wrote:
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:
why do I see Mining amount and single Bounty rewards on screen .. even with all notifications and log an messages turned off?
We added a toggle...


*bangs head on desk repeatedly...
Front
Ironheart Strategic Aerospace Industries
#400 - 2016-06-30 19:38:47 UTC
Ran two sites solo last night for the new event, both times had the can pilfered by last minute warp ins who literally grabbed the can and warped off with the goods. I cannot fault those players, even if they were smug about it, I can only fault CCP who thought that putting the only decent loot in the whole site in a single can anyone can access. At the very least you should have had to participate in the site to get a crack at that can without getting flagged in my opinion.

The docking camera is terrible and I especially despise that I am stuck looking at my ship and the station on undock. The last thing you want to see on undock is your own ship.

The lighting effects and wallet changes are really nice, and while I do not like the way the actual event sites have been handled I really like the way the challanges are displayed, even if the challanges themselves can be crazy (like taking down a drifter in a frigate)