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Ravow
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2016-05-21 22:43:49 UTC
I have the same probleme as Talis Mahn. It look like it's pulse audio related. If Wine is compiled with pulse support and configured to use pulse, it will produce no sound (Like stream games, when you have to supply some environement var to tell them to use ALSA instead of pulse.

Lot of custom system don't run pulseaudio, sometime (like my case), a specific sound card brand is installed to prevent the need of a sound server. Creative cards (from the old Live up to current one), have an internal, hardware audio Mixer and in that case Pulso audio is not usefull as you can already send sound from 64 different source, in the same time.

When you launch EVE, the launcher should test if pulseaudio is running bu running "pidof pulseaudio", the command result a number, pulseaudio is running, if it output nothing, pulseaudio is not running/installed.

After the launcher should change a "registry" setting according to what's found.

keys => HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Wine\Drivers

for pulseaudio, "Audio" should be set to "pulse"
for direct to driver output, "Audio" should be set to "alsa"

Some more test could also be added for more exotics systems "esd", "jack", "oss"..
Adara Starkiss
Argentum Holdings
#22 - 2016-06-01 16:53:56 UTC
Did i read correctly that the launcher downloads both the client and the wine together? Also, with the news today, getting rid of dx9, will that affect all of us in Linux?

Ubuntu Mate 16.04.2 64bit // Amd A8-5600K with RX460 4GB // 6GB DDR3 // Sandisk 120GB SSD Plus // Wine Stable 2.01 // Native Linux Launcher // TS3 working // Happy to be back in Ubuntu :)

Glengrant
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2016-06-13 10:25:07 UTC
Adara Starkiss wrote:
Did i read correctly that the launcher downloads both the client and the wine together? Also, with the news today, getting rid of dx9, will that affect all of us in Linux?


I'm mostly answering for the benefit of other readers as you most likely have found out by now.

Yes - the evelauncher installs it's own wine environment and downloads all necessary EVE files.

Of course the gradual removal of dx9 features will affect us - atm dx11 support in wine is incomplete and EVE wouldn't run at all right now.
But CCP is still officially supporting OSX - and they have related problems and the phasing out of dx9 is a gradual phasing out.

From what I gathered they will introduce stuff that will be exclusively dx11 while the game generally still runs on dx9.
So we might not see clouds anymore and otherwise not get some graphics upgrades.

The hope is that if this process is spread out over a year or 2 we might get sufficient dx11 coverage in wine in time before they cut out critical parts of dx9 code.
Glengrant
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2016-06-13 10:38:59 UTC
Ravow wrote:
I have the same probleme as Talis Mahn. It look like it's pulse audio related. If Wine is compiled with pulse support and configured to use pulse, it will produce no sound (Like stream games, when you have to supply some environement var to tell them to use ALSA instead of pulse.

Lot of custom system don't run pulseaudio, sometime (like my case), a specific sound card brand is installed to prevent the need of a sound server. Creative cards (from the old Live up to current one), have an internal, hardware audio Mixer and in that case Pulso audio is not usefull as you can already send sound from 64 different source, in the same time.

When you launch EVE, the launcher should test if pulseaudio is running bu running "pidof pulseaudio", the command result a number, pulseaudio is running, if it output nothing, pulseaudio is not running/installed.

After the launcher should change a "registry" setting according to what's found.

keys => HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Wine\Drivers

for pulseaudio, "Audio" should be set to "pulse"
for direct to driver output, "Audio" should be set to "alsa"

Some more test could also be added for more exotics systems "esd", "jack", "oss"..


The whole point of pulseaudio is to have a single sound server interface instead of a multitude of drivers.
Sure some people prefer their own custom-made sound configurations - that's fine - have your system your way.

But CCP is not officially supporting Linux at all.
We're lucky that a couple of devs are nice enough to - unofficially (no doubt CCP simply doesn't want to be legally obligated to provide support - because that's simply not financially in their interest) - help with Linux installs. And we're profiting from the fact that they have to do a lot of this work anyway for the Mac client (which is at the bottom also a unix-like and also using a wine-variant).

So I really don't see CCP investing any hours to track problems for obscure sound driver configs that are a tiny fraction of even the 1% of Linux gamers.

And I think you're missing the point of having a sound server (!= sound driver) like pulseaudio. It doesn't matter that your sound card can by itself do all the high level stuff that pulseaudio might implement on top of lower level drivers - the point is to have a single interface for all the software out there. For the sound *functioanility* pulseaudio might be a redundant layer on your system - but seen from the rest of all software - pulseaudio is a single interface to manage sound on your machine so that not every single program has to worry about alsa, oss, etc....

Just like software runs on generic io and graphics interfaces - instead of having to worry about a zillion different cards/disks and drivers combinations.
A program can write through a generic file system interface - without having to worry whether that is on hdd, ssd, ram or even on via a network.

Clock
Ministry Of Chaos
#25 - 2016-06-14 05:54:38 UTC
Talis Mahn wrote:
I like this launcher. It worked quite well, other than the lack of sound. It did look like different version of wine was loaded. When I launched from my 'old' installation of Eve the sound worked. When launched from the new launcher no sound. Logs sent



https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6528052#post6528052


hey bud, i dunno what flavor of linux you are using but if its ubuntu 64b i had the same issue which i sorted out here.. (link above)


all i need to do now is figure out how i can run multiple copies of the game, for each account at the same time ;P


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Holker Rubin
Graph-yard
#26 - 2016-06-15 20:03:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Holker Rubin
I have installed Manjaro rolling release on my old Dell XPS M1710 laptop recently, but I'm still a linux rooky and just trying different distros out (before Manjaro I tried Open Suse, but my laptop didnt agree with it for some weird reason).

Normally I'm running Eve on my Windows 10 desktop (and probably will continue doing this), but I would like to contribute a bit to the Linux community. I know the first post says you have enough people now, but if you need to test it on Manjaro, please lemme know?
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#27 - 2016-06-15 23:04:35 UTC
Rhyme Bittern wrote:
The installation seems to create a directory named "EVE" right in my home folder. This is a bit of bad manners - the un-hidden directories in the home directory are for documents, music, downloads and the like, not for apps data. Can this directory be located in a hidden location in my home folder?

Besides that, I still get no sound with this (very nice) launcher.


That might look "bad" for you but Windoze has been doing this since the beginning of EVE, so you can find your screen shots, chat logs, combat logs which are all documents except for the pictures.

Having yet anther hidden folder would make me scream.



So after messing up the windoze launcher, I had to use the Linux one and download a deprecated version of Wine (1.9.9) to my Wine HQ staging one (1.9.12).

After looking for about an hour where the new settings folder would be, I could now have my settings back - yeay-ish.

I am on Linux Mint 17.3 which is based on Ubuntu 14.04 until Sarah is no longer beta (Mint uses female first names as version names in order of the alphabet.)

Btw. on Wine the EVE client claims memory like there is no tomorrow. On windoze it used to be ~1000MB of RAM. It uses 4100MB on Wine, sometimes more.

The Linux launcher also doesn't check, if you already HAVE a launcher folder in your home folder and starts to download all the files again.

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Adara Starkiss
Argentum Holdings
#28 - 2016-06-30 03:04:00 UTC
There is something wrong with your setup.

In my even older than yours WINE I run 3 clients and all use about 1gig each.

After the new launcher install, using that newer version, I noticed the ram comsumption is a tad lower, which allows me to run my 3 clients with 5gigs of ram rather easy.

Im sorry I cant help you more, to find out what makes your client consume a ton more, but Im not that knowledgeable.

Ubuntu Mate 16.04.2 64bit // Amd A8-5600K with RX460 4GB // 6GB DDR3 // Sandisk 120GB SSD Plus // Wine Stable 2.01 // Native Linux Launcher // TS3 working // Happy to be back in Ubuntu :)

elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#29 - 2016-06-30 05:58:14 UTC
Adara Starkiss wrote:
There is something wrong with your setup.

In my even older than yours WINE I run 3 clients and all use about 1gig each.

After the new launcher install, using that newer version, I noticed the ram consumption is a tad lower, which allows me to run my 3 clients with 5gigs of ram rather easy.

Im sorry I cant help you more, to find out what makes your client consume a ton more, but I'm not that knowledgeable.


I'll just wait another week and get the new Mint 18 Sarah which will have the new kernel 4.4 and based on Ubuntu 16.4 LTS. There seems to be something broken with FUSE and all of my video memory is dumped in my actual memory - yikes.

On my laptop I run Ubuntu MATE 16.4 and even with a few things running in background, the memory usage is less than 500MB of 4GB.
That smaller Brashwell Pentium N3700 is a rocket.

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Giacomo Carissimi
Fwaming Dwagons
Entropic Thunder
#30 - 2016-07-13 07:11:05 UTC
I'm on fedora 24.

I've been using the posted launcher for the past week, and it's awesome.
I see you already have all the duders you need, so good luck?

AMD sucks, life is sucks
Christoper Khan
Cell Anomaly
#31 - 2016-07-16 19:25:33 UTC
Been running Eve through specialized wine for 9 years now.
Changed to this launcher and besides the settings reset, I have yet to see a problem with it.
Works out of the box without a glitch.

Ubuntu 16.04, NVIDIA and pure love.

Good work Snorlax and thank you for supporting a subcommunity!
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#32 - 2016-07-16 21:33:32 UTC
Christoper Khan wrote:
Been running Eve through specialized wine for 9 years now.
Changed to this launcher and besides the settings reset, I have yet to see a problem with it.
Works out of the box without a glitch.

Ubuntu 16.04, NVIDIA and pure love.

Good work Snorlax and thank you for supporting a subcommunity!


That is because the "settings" folders are at a different location. I spent hours looking for them but once you find them, you can copy & overwrite your EVE settings (it's a folder with many files but small ones) to the new location and everything is as it used to.

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This is the law of ship progression!

Aura sound-clips: Aura forever

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