EVE General Discussion

James, since you're not Doomheim yet, I'll try to help out some.

I completely get where you are coming from. It's exceptionally frustrating to keep trying to build something up only to have some ya-hoo come along and mess it all up. It wastes your time and efforts.

You are seeing that very same effect in this very thread. Some EVE players can be exceptionally jaded. CCP Falcon's post is a bit of an eye opener and it comes down to how you are going to take the news that EVERYTHING in EVE is PvP.

Oddly, CCP Falcon's post is just his opinion and not official CCP doctrine (but it's close enough). That's the point, even if every EVE developer came here to offer their opinion, because this is a sandbox game, it's just that. As long as you play within the rules of the sandbox, the game is what YOU make of it, and while those opinions determine the arc and general focus of the game, it's actually so broad you can pretty much do whatever you want with it if you're clever enough.

Thus, we have about a hundred different, common, play styles. Some are more clearly in the intended game play than others.

HiSec ganking is completely allowed. If you want to be a HiSec miner, you have to allow for that. It means you have to adjust your gameplay to deal with the gankers. Hone your skills and get some help if you need it. Join a HiSec mining corp and they will show you the ropes. There are players that have built up a complete pseudo religion around the play style to justify it. You accept that and move on, though I suggest you avoid the Kool-Aid they drink.

So, when you come here and tell us why all the new players leave, you aren't saying much new to us. We are all very aware of the learning/game play curve that newcomers are up against.

However, if 1 out of 20 'new' players find the game a challenge they can rise to, then we have another EVE player on board. It's not up to CCP or the players to make your life easier, it's up to you to determine if you are capable of the challenge of EVE or not. If you are the more rare person, then come play the game. If you find this isn't for you, thank you for trying the game and if you run across someone you think might be up to the challenge, send them our way.

Don't bite the **** that feeds you.

I didn't know 'hand' was a word that needed censoring, or perhaps you were thinking of another body part? If so, I don't think we eat using the same body part(s) but to each their own.

I'm with James here on the 'content creation' mantra. If everyone is a content creator then it's an irrelevant term. It's like saying all pay to play EVE players are financially supporting the game... really? Must we state the obvious?

So the term either applies to everyone, in which case it's a meaningless fluff term, or, it's a feel good term ship to ship PvP players use to justify and try to protect their play style. I'm not knocking it in the latter case, just pointing out that the play style doesn't need justification or protection as it's a primary play style intended by the game. It just is unnecessary to use the term at all in either case.

EVE can be extremely frustrating. Old PvP Players squash you like a bug for no other reason that they could. I was hunted down by a pair that used cloacky ships around 70times the value of my ship: I didn't stand a chance.
I wouldn't advise mining for noobs because you are in a known position (belts) that these leet-PvP-player don't have to probe. Missions are much better because they have to probe you down which you can see in the D-Scan. If you see combat-probes it's time to go. Quickly.
You didn't do anything wrong but this is how the game is played by some.

Dont give up just yet. Go to the Recruitment forums and look for Corps that are willing to take on New players and shown them the ropes. Eve Uni is one that spriings to mind. There are older players out there willing to take on new players and teach them to adapt and play the game the way it should be played; as a giant sand box.

Mining is only one side of the game and remenber space pixels can't kill you. Learn to adapt. Go and learn to fight / gank somebody instead of being a target.

Do the Sisters of Eve epic get some iskies under your belt and learn to PVP in cheap TI frigates. You will die often but eventually it will click into place if you talk to your oppnent even if it is to say good fight when you lose most are willing to chat.

Remember it's a game with many facets stick with it and eventually you will have fun. Not all older players are Gankers, some are generally nice people.

TLDR: Learn to adapt and try something else apart from mining if it is still not working out for you.

Frankly, sir, you can keep your subscription money

No , throwing a hissy fit in gd will do that, ask in ncq&a you will be pointed in the right direction, still get verbally backhanded for the back talk but thats to be expected.

Nice troll, but you gave yourself away here.

Hey there,

It sucks to see you have not enjoyed your short stay in EVE. On behalf of ISD and some of the player we hope to see you return and perhaps learn from your mistakes, and find something you enjoy. There is plenty of different forms of content and people out there to help you out.

Fly safe! o/