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[GalFed] Villore Assembly Resolution on Serpentis Crisis

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Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2016-06-26 22:58:51 UTC
Sinti Vailatti wrote:
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
Sinti Vailatti wrote:


You like threats? How about we do this.

The parties that attacked the station over Serpentis Prime VII have 72 hours to apologize, return the property they stole and recompense the Serpentis and Angel Cartel in ISK for their losses. I think 5 billion sounds fair.

If not, we'll publish the client list for every escort, brothel and drug dealer in Luminaire and Yulai.



How delightfully quaint.

No-one in the Federation has felt shame about their sexual proclivities for about five thousand years. Publish and be laughed at.




The publishing of this list will serve to correct that.

Your habits alone would be enough to make a Rens whore blush and keep people laughing for decades.

You're not as kinky as Blaque, but damn kiddo, you come close.

Look me up sometime Skyweird.

The list will not affect the fact that Gallente don't get embarrassed about that stuff so please post that list and watch your failure
Catherine Green
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2016-06-26 23:11:51 UTC
For what it's worth, I think this is a fantastic idea. Even if the response has been a little... crude?
Steven Armstrong
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2016-06-26 23:12:38 UTC
Serpentis did nothing wrong.
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2016-06-26 23:27:15 UTC
Steven Armstrong wrote:
Serpentis did nothing wrong.

They made capital ships and they are a problem because reasons
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#25 - 2016-06-26 23:50:55 UTC
Slayer Liberator wrote:
Steven Armstrong wrote:
Serpentis did nothing wrong.

They made capital ships and they are a problem because reasons

Sadly, somehow crime organizations have a tendency to employ really smart people... or their lack of safety regulations does the deal, I imagine. If Serpentis does have new capital tech, the balance of power will shift and not in the favor of comparably-not-so-bad-Navies who protect the Empires and their people.
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#26 - 2016-06-27 03:29:23 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Slayer Liberator wrote:
Steven Armstrong wrote:
Serpentis did nothing wrong.

They made capital ships and they are a problem because reasons

Sadly, somehow crime organizations have a tendency to employ really smart people... or their lack of safety regulations does the deal, I imagine. If Serpentis does have new capital tech, the balance of power will shift and not in the favor of comparably-not-so-bad-Navies who protect the Empires and their people.

Well I haven't looked at it that way but I hope that these pirates whatever uniforms they wear are put in their place
Aedre Lafisques
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#27 - 2016-06-29 11:37:27 UTC
I would like to point out, as I did in the assembly, that the proposition here isn't particularly 'threatening'. Capsuleers have a history of being fairly peacemeal in their efforts, and this resolution seeks to establish formal communications about the 'threat', and assessing its nature.

This peacemeal approach, lacking the unity Soter is calling for, benefits not only the enemies we appear to be fighting - 'pirates' and other ne'er do wells - but also shrewd empire interests, the sorts of things that create the pirate and null-sec movements we are seeing in the first place in many cases.

Consolidation of effort seeks to lose less. Less hardware, less lives - which any captain can appreciate, pirate or not. And while we can say 'pirates are people too', the situation is somewhat more complex beyond an individual level. Conceptually, it is agreeable that both sides be prudent enough to make the right decisions with regards to personnel. Since Capsuleers are going to go after Serpentis rewards regardless of politics, this is our side doing what we can.

This is conservatism, not idealism of a pirate-less world, nor an insinuation that others (including ourselves) do not already have systems in place hoping to lessen the financial and sociological impact that black market activities illicit, occasionally by shooting at their ships relatively regularly. A black market is part of the ecosystem of any large body, and this effort is not really about threatening anyone, realistically. But like any free ecosystem any anomaly is not only noticed, but adjusted to. We will need some organization to keep things as it is, and everyone in business.

With that, I encourage those with an interest in fighting the Serpentis, even casually, to consider the router as a node to find fleets and keep up with information accrued about the changing status of Serpentis forces. This is less about law and more about order - at least, to me.



Speaking of freedom and laws, the threatening of releasing personal data is interesting and telling. Rather than to say that Gallentes are universally proud of the myriad things they try, I would say it is a reflexive reaction not to become very distressed. While I would be amused, saddened or even disappointed in the involvements of another, or theoretically embarrassed about my own, the reality of free association - first and for some time as law, but now as part of culture (though 5,000 years is technically a stretch, as civics is comparatively recent, and not even fully actualised) - means that its affect on his or her opportunities is considerably lessened if not entirely non-issue'd in some areas - at least when dealing with other fully-integrated Federals. Since that is the reaction we are familiar with, it should come as no surprise that most of us seem somewhat flippant with regards to personal control within this sphere.

Relations overall are looser here because of this, and it is generally by action, not by relationship, that a person is first judged, in opposition to most other cultures' parameters in the cluster, as I understand them. It would be of greater leverage to attack a Federal's concrete failings than exposing acrobatics that are, for most, at worst entertaining (as we will gawk at our own as quickly as anyone else, lacking in-group), but still theoretically sacred. To attack someone for being out of line of the norm is just as ill-informed. It is not just a right, but in many cases a rite of passage.

Not to say of course, that doing this or that won't get you killed or worse if you cross the wrong person. But that's an entirely different story; free association of course, has certain risks that we are not particularly protected against, where association and action are conflagrated fairly easily, even when you live this. Just to say there might be a more efficient sort-by to ruin a man than 'worst', around here, if that wasn't already obvious. There are some subtleties to it that are inducing the laughter in here, and it's not just pure promiscuity.
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2016-06-29 12:12:15 UTC
The only resolution to this is to return the stolen assets, public apology and reimbursement of losses inflicted on the Angels and Serpentis. you call us pirates while your "national governments" bicker over the sharing rights of stolen assets to increase your own armies and the organisation public witch hunts.

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#29 - 2016-06-29 13:35:16 UTC
CVA has been dealing with Sansha Capital class vessels for a good few weeks now, and Supercarrier vessels leading incursions for years. In all that time we have not once needed to issue a resolution or categorise the level of threat. We have simply dealt with it.

As much as I dislike the chest beating and the thinly veiled bias towards focusing on Gallente citizens and property rather then a true Cluster wide effort, I do infact wish you luck.

Any Serpentis or Angel outposts, shipyards, laboratories, Capital Vessels or other found within Providence will be dealt with. They can inquire with our designated Diplomats for Pirate Organisations, Mega Pulse Laser II and Co.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Sinti Vailatti
Angelis Exploration
#30 - 2016-06-29 14:56:43 UTC
All good replies, even the negative ones.

Since we haven't seen any Soter-lead grand, sweeping fleets of Federation ships, I'm gonna have to say OpSuccess.

I'd still like the 5 billion though. A girl's got expenses, ya know. Oh well.



“Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?”

Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2016-06-29 19:01:35 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
The only resolution to this is to return the stolen assets, public apology and reimbursement of losses inflicted on the Angels and Serpentis. you call us pirates while your "national governments" bicker over the sharing rights of stolen assets to increase your own armies and the organisation public witch hunts.


I don't think a pirate organization has any legitimacy making complaints regarding property rights.

I don't like thievery as a general rule, but what were you going to use these extremely advanced designs for anyway? Probably thievery. And where did you get the baseline for the research conducted to create these designs?

Oh, that's right, you stole a Gallentean titan to "increase your own armies".

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#32 - 2016-06-30 10:45:10 UTC
In response to the discovery of a vast number of Serpentis and Angel Cartel facilities across New Eden, the Interstellar Defense Network has been activated. I will be commanding a fleet of Thorax-class cruisers and support ships, at 21:00 Yulai Time, to patrol the lowsec area. Non-wartargets are welcome to participate. Fleet formup is the Vlillirier Roden station orbiting planet 7. Ships will be provided.

Regards,

Soter

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#33 - 2016-06-30 12:54:28 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
The only resolution to this is to return the stolen assets, public apology and reimbursement of losses inflicted on the Angels and Serpentis. you call us pirates while your "national governments" bicker over the sharing rights of stolen assets to increase your own armies and the organisation public witch hunts.

It's called the right of the stronger and it's always been like that unfortunately

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2016-06-30 17:43:36 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
The only resolution to this is to return the stolen assets, public apology and reimbursement of losses inflicted on the Angels and Serpentis. you call us pirates while your "national governments" bicker over the sharing rights of stolen assets to increase your own armies and the organisation public witch hunts.


I don't think a pirate organization has any legitimacy making complaints regarding property rights.

I don't like thievery as a general rule, but what were you going to use these extremely advanced designs for anyway? Probably thievery. And where did you get the baseline for the research conducted to create these designs?

Oh, that's right, you stole a Gallentean titan to "increase your own armies".

Pot. Kettle. Black.



Exactly the point, but in a reverse view. We're criminals and pirates (and this includes the Horde and YOU) because of our actions, but when a government does the exact same thing, this is acceptable?

The empires of New Eden can't have it both ways. Not any longer.

As you've all seen by now, Angels...are never far.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#35 - 2016-07-01 06:23:33 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:


The empires of New Eden can't have it both ways. Not any longer.

My money is on "yes they can". They have better PR then you.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Moonacre Parmala
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2016-07-01 06:50:21 UTC
Sinti Vailatti wrote:
All good replies, even the negative ones.

Since we haven't seen any Soter-lead grand, sweeping fleets of Federation ships, I'm gonna have to say OpSuccess.

I'd still like the 5 billion though. A girl's got expenses, ya know. Oh well.




Surely the expense of black hair dye and make-up is negligible, however all the incense and scatter cushions for your pod may mount up but 5 bil? Perhaps lay off the diamond and pyroxite laced pillows filled with the rare gold winged dodo from new caldari prime's decorative lakes...... that may just reduce your expenses.......

Law Number III: There are no lazy veteran lion hunters.

Law Number VI: A hungry dog hunts best. A hungrier dog hunts even better.

Law Number XXXVIII: The early bird gets the worm. The early worm....gets eaten.

If in doubt , SHOOT !

Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2016-07-01 06:52:06 UTC
Moonacre Parmala wrote:
Sinti Vailatti wrote:
All good replies, even the negative ones.

Since we haven't seen any Soter-lead grand, sweeping fleets of Federation ships, I'm gonna have to say OpSuccess.

I'd still like the 5 billion though. A girl's got expenses, ya know. Oh well.




Surely the expense of black hair dye and make-up is negligible, however all the incense and scatter cushions for your pod may mount up but 5 bil? Perhaps lay off the diamond and pyroxite laced pillows filled with the rare gold winged dodo from new caldari prime's decorative lakes...... that may just reduce your expenses.......


I like your jacket

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2016-07-01 13:37:50 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
Any Serpentis or Angel outposts, shipyards, laboratories, Capital Vessels or other found within Providence will be dealt with. They can inquire with our designated Diplomats for Pirate Organisations, Mega Pulse Laser II and Co.


Likewise, our own operation to protect the Serpentis assets within my area is going pretty well and will continue to kill any resistance ships found found within these sites.

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Moonacre Parmala
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2016-07-04 04:30:09 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:


I like your jacket



Why thank you.

Law Number III: There are no lazy veteran lion hunters.

Law Number VI: A hungry dog hunts best. A hungrier dog hunts even better.

Law Number XXXVIII: The early bird gets the worm. The early worm....gets eaten.

If in doubt , SHOOT !

Moonacre Parmala
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2016-07-06 04:54:08 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:


I like your jacket



I'm sure i had a female one lying around somewhere, I'll see if I can drag it out of storage and will send it your way if I do. No promises as my recycle drones are far too efficient these days......

Law Number III: There are no lazy veteran lion hunters.

Law Number VI: A hungry dog hunts best. A hungrier dog hunts even better.

Law Number XXXVIII: The early bird gets the worm. The early worm....gets eaten.

If in doubt , SHOOT !

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