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Dropping corp mid fight to avoid bad killboards - Let's get it stopped

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Havish Montak
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2016-06-25 08:14:07 UTC
The recent loss of a titan will not be associated to the true Alliance to which it belonged. The titan was engaged and destroyed, but the player changed/dropped his corporation to preserve the statistics of his alliance. He did this by ejecting from his titan and then leaving his corporation. I feel that there should be a way to prevent this sort of exploit such as the inability to leave a corporation whilst in PvP combat.

Post your thoughts below.
Amanda Rekenwhith
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-06-25 08:21:33 UTC
Kill boards are not why I play eve. Titan destroyed? Happy day! I couldn't care less what zkill has to say about it.

For dessert we're offering humble pie.  Would you like some after you're done eating crow?

Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#3 - 2016-06-25 08:52:11 UTC
Name and shame pl0x?
Valkin Mordirc
#4 - 2016-06-25 09:06:53 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Max Trix
I believe he is referring to PL.


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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
Transgress
#5 - 2016-06-25 09:16:48 UTC
i think the shame and hilarity of this is probably punishment enough.
Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-06-25 09:39:51 UTC
Simply expanding the engagement timer to prevent this wouldn't be so much work.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Duckzer Mining Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
#7 - 2016-06-25 09:46:14 UTC
Just make it like the ability to self destruct. Where corp and affiliation persist as long as theres a weapons/combat logoff timer active against your ship itself as well as your pod.

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You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2016-06-25 10:11:56 UTC
OP I think you need to talk to Squizz (?) about that. For the most part though this kind of strange risk averse behavior is sad. Who is risk averse you ask? Think about this from a clearly objective point of view. The more a person cares about their leet KB status the more likely they are to not engage in any activity that may hurt that status. This may also make it harder to track what was lost during a major battle/war, make battles far more killboard friendly and less epic, etc. Frankly though Zkillboard is just a tool an EVE player made that only means something to anyone if you let it. Some people like to look at this as a sort of leaderboard and maybe that makes the game more fun. What people have to recognize is that largely it is just a tool and nothing more.

Unfortunately too many have see this as more than a tool and more a epeen status thing. It is likely a great way to keep track of who is a better player in various ways and might even help with recruiting. Yet if the battles of the future are fought more on these types of risk averse strategies you likely will never see another BR-5 ever again. I like to personally think of it this way: How much can I afford to lose regardless of how it may affect the leaderboard and my rank within it. If I can afford to lose 5 billion isk for some purpose and think that the likelihood of breaking even is high then I may just take it upon myself to engage in that activity even if I lose the ship. Of course there is always the possibility of being able to save my ship through various means and that all efforts will be used to do so. Yet, if I lose it then I am okay because I set the limits to my risk beforehand and knew what I could cover in losses.

However nowadays people won't even risk losing what they can afford to lose in various cases because of an arbitrary position on some leaderboard in a third party site. This results in far fewer epic bigger scale battles with even more losses. This also likely effects an entire alliances ability to wage war when on the defensive as well. They care more about risking not only what they can afford to lose, but also what they can afford to lose and not greatly affect their killboard status.

So that said Squizz's site while pretty damn awesome has created a community where fewer epic battles happen, less isk is lost, and I'd even say it has an adverse effect on the entire EVE economy as a result. As mentioned above, and combined with the fozzie sov changes it also has a deleterious effect on various alliances ability to retake Sov when worried about some arbitrary value on Zkillboard.

Am I making enough sense here, or at least enough to see where I am going with this?
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
#9 - 2016-06-25 10:24:47 UTC
Why does it matter, you still got a Titan kill, and that entity already shoots their own ships when they are going down, it is like the Goons blapping freighters in hisec to make their KB metrics better because they are being roasted every where else. Just play you game and snigger at them...

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Elenahina
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#10 - 2016-06-25 11:09:45 UTC
People care about kill board stats? Weird.

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Neadayan Drakhon
Heuristic Industrial And Development
AddictClan
#11 - 2016-06-25 11:24:43 UTC
Havish Montak wrote:
The recent loss of a titan will not be associated to the true Alliance to which it belonged. The titan was engaged and destroyed, but the player changed/dropped his corporation to preserve the statistics of his alliance. He did this by ejecting from his titan and then leaving his corporation. I feel that there should be a way to prevent this sort of exploit such as the inability to leave a corporation whilst in PvP combat.

Post your thoughts below.

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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2016-06-25 12:03:37 UTC
If it was done to save the KB stats, he would have joined the same corp back after the loss no?
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
Brave Collective
#13 - 2016-06-25 16:03:02 UTC
Some people care about metrics, some don't.
Moar at 11.


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Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
#14 - 2016-06-25 20:03:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Sustrai Aditua
RISK AVERSION?? BWAAA HAAAA HAAAAA!!! Oh me. Risk aversion...
There's these books we call "dictionaries." Try one.

Nice wall of text, btw. Too bad it's completely invalid as you begin with a fictitious foundation.

Risk aversion....can you believe people think they're smart 'cause they put those words together? I have two other words that fit nicely together. BOVINE SCATOLOGY.

If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.

Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#15 - 2016-06-25 20:22:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Linus Gorp
Pathetic Legion. 'nuff said.

And to share some fun, completely unrelated to the above: http://i.imgur.com/gDZYtWQ.gifv

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2016-06-26 04:20:05 UTC
Why would anybody care if somebody drops corp to avoid a loss being tallied against their alliance?
"Goonswarm Federation"
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#17 - 2016-06-26 06:49:50 UTC
I like it how the OP gets salty over someone playing this game not *his* way.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Duckzer Mining Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
#18 - 2016-06-26 20:45:00 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
OP I think you need to talk to Squizz (?) about that. For the most part though this kind of strange risk averse behavior is sad. Who is risk averse you ask? Think about this from a clearly objective point of view. The more a person cares about their leet KB status the more likely they are to not engage in any activity that may hurt that status. This may also make it harder to track what was lost during a major battle/war, make battles far more killboard friendly and less epic, etc. Frankly though Zkillboard is just a tool an EVE player made that only means something to anyone if you let it. Some people like to look at this as a sort of leaderboard and maybe that makes the game more fun. What people have to recognize is that largely it is just a tool and nothing more.

Unfortunately too many have see this as more than a tool and more a epeen status thing. It is likely a great way to keep track of who is a better player in various ways and might even help with recruiting. Yet if the battles of the future are fought more on these types of risk averse strategies you likely will never see another BR-5 ever again. I like to personally think of it this way: How much can I afford to lose regardless of how it may affect the leaderboard and my rank within it. If I can afford to lose 5 billion isk for some purpose and think that the likelihood of breaking even is high then I may just take it upon myself to engage in that activity even if I lose the ship. Of course there is always the possibility of being able to save my ship through various means and that all efforts will be used to do so. Yet, if I lose it then I am okay because I set the limits to my risk beforehand and knew what I could cover in losses.

However nowadays people won't even risk losing what they can afford to lose in various cases because of an arbitrary position on some leaderboard in a third party site. This results in far fewer epic bigger scale battles with even more losses. This also likely effects an entire alliances ability to wage war when on the defensive as well. They care more about risking not only what they can afford to lose, but also what they can afford to lose and not greatly affect their killboard status.

So that said Squizz's site while pretty damn awesome has created a community where fewer epic battles happen, less isk is lost, and I'd even say it has an adverse effect on the entire EVE economy as a result. As mentioned above, and combined with the fozzie sov changes it also has a deleterious effect on various alliances ability to retake Sov when worried about some arbitrary value on Zkillboard.

Am I making enough sense here, or at least enough to see where I am going with this?

I hear you loud and clear. B-R was an "oops" fight and Asakai was a fluke. Imo we need more of these style engagements through less perfect intelligence. Not knowing the risks beforehand so well leads to more hmm.... can I get away with this? moments. Its not knowing that leads the noob through that low sec gate with no intel, or not knowing that makes one hur dur dur through space. As soon as one knows one weight the odds and knowing the odds too well leads to one having cut offs for risk that seldom become looser but usually more rigid and narrow and always gravitate towards the safer and better odd gambles.

Want to make a living at playing poker? You build up your stack slowly and avoid the all in moments until you have to. Same rules apply. You dont just push all in every hand from the get go and hope you win a bracelet. Yet you see this often early on in no risk fake money games on sites. And only after the stupid money is gone do you actually get the serious players yet even they will often play tight.

But just my two cents on the matter..... if you need me Ill be sitting in my station while I forum whore a bit.LolTwisted

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
#19 - 2016-06-27 14:43:10 UTC
Can't refit or dock or jump with a weapons timer? Can't drop corps with a weapons timer.

                      "LIVE FAST DIE." - traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed]

Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#20 - 2016-06-27 14:47:00 UTC
If someone ejected from a titan to preserve a KB, why wouldn't you all just celebrate being given a free titan?
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