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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#101 - 2016-06-23 16:58:17 UTC
Dark Apprentice wrote:
No mate you do not understand : all the citadels destroyed were not fitted because all the owners were simply too idiots, while this guy comes now and enlightens us all.

I am very amused how he proves to be an idiot with each one of his posts and he still does not realize how lame he is and continues to do it...

Had you bothered to read my posts you would know by now that I quoted the *full* quote from the dev post and confirmed that CCP never promised you *anything* about the combat effectiveness of Citadels *at all*.

Sadly you are all too busy calling me names to actually care about the topic. Once again proving that you are, you guessed it, idiots.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Shayla Etherodyne
Delta Laroth Industries
#102 - 2016-06-23 18:13:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Shayla Etherodyne
Soldarius wrote:
https://zkillboard.com/system/30000250/ship/35833/

Looks pretty exciting to me. Our Fortizar in P3EN-E gets about 10 kills a day; mostly solo.



Roll Waving around how good is a citadel in a system called "pene" .... I thought it was a joke post.

Link to the translation of that word in Google translator: https://translate.google.it/?hl=it#it/en/pene

Now I suspect that the name of that system was some Dev joke. Twisted
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#103 - 2016-06-23 21:07:00 UTC
CCP Darwin wrote:
Quote:
New structure hulls are going to replace Starbases, Outposts and Deployables over time

(emphasis mine.)

This time has not yet arrived.

Wait. What? Are you telling us, that we will eventually get modular POSes an not stationary bait ships with modules?

Remove standings and insurance.
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#104 - 2016-06-24 21:09:09 UTC
CCP Darwin wrote:
Quote:
New structure hulls are going to replace Starbases, Outposts and Deployables over time

(emphasis mine.)

This time has not yet arrived.

In the meantime, please feel most welcome to construct a player-owned-starbase our outpost if they fit your needs better.

I'd like to ask you to rethink your guys' decision to make capitals ECM immune. I do believe it was stated before that they weren't going to be immune anymore, and if it was this is obviously going against what was promised.

But more than that, ECM is a major defense that citadels have against offending ships, even capitals (or they used to be when you could use ECM). I permajammed a nag that was trying to assault my astrahus, up until they refit for sensor boosters and brought in an opposing fleet.

Speaking of fleets, mediums are unable to contend. The application of the missiles is horrible. Entire fighter squads get wiped out in seconds when even a small enemy fleet assigns their drones to kill them. Unless you guys are planning on super buffing citadels, then they are just not strong enough to deal with how people wage war.
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
#105 - 2016-06-25 20:12:46 UTC
I BELIEVE! I BELIEVE!

If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#106 - 2016-06-25 20:25:40 UTC
Sustrai Aditua wrote:
I BELIEVE! I BELIEVE!

Tempelman N wrote:

NO NOT BELIVEING!

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2016-06-25 20:40:01 UTC
Jennifer Maxwell wrote:
I permajammed a nag that was trying to assault my astrahus, up until they refit for sensor boosters and brought in an opposing fleet.


How was your Astrahus fit? In the 30 minutes it takes to reinforce one, you should have been able to do enough damage to a seiged dread to kill it.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#108 - 2016-06-25 21:13:39 UTC
Eli Stan wrote:
Jennifer Maxwell wrote:
I permajammed a nag that was trying to assault my astrahus, up until they refit for sensor boosters and brought in an opposing fleet.


How was your Astrahus fit? In the 30 minutes it takes to reinforce one, you should have been able to do enough damage to a seiged dread to kill it.


[sarcasm]
Haven't you been paying attention? These people have done EXTENSIVE TESTING and PROVED 100% that the astrahus could not possibly hurt a fly, let alone a dread. No matter what fitting is used, they are weaker than a small POS.
[/sarcasm]


Seriously though - they probably had it full e-war fit, which would be just neuts in the high slots. Just a guess though

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
#109 - 2016-06-25 23:34:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Sustrai Aditua
Linus Gorp wrote:
Sustrai Aditua wrote:
I BELIEVE! I BELIEVE!

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Mind if I ask, "Huh?"
Oh, by the way, "the literate" is plural. The literate are....
"A literate" is singular. A literate is....
When you correct someone's English do it properly.

If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2016-06-26 03:51:37 UTC
Sustrai Aditua wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Sustrai Aditua wrote:
I BELIEVE! I BELIEVE!

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Mind if I ask, "Huh?"
Oh, by the way, "the literate" is plural. The literate are....
"A literate" is singular. A literate is....
When you correct someone's English do it properly.
I suspect it's shortened from "the literate person is..." as opposed to "the literate people are..." or "the literates are..." So singular instead of plural seems more correct to me. YMMV.
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#111 - 2016-06-26 05:00:50 UTC
Eli Stan wrote:
Jennifer Maxwell wrote:
I permajammed a nag that was trying to assault my astrahus, up until they refit for sensor boosters and brought in an opposing fleet.


How was your Astrahus fit? In the 30 minutes it takes to reinforce one, you should have been able to do enough damage to a seiged dread to kill it.


Two subcap missiles, two heavy neuts, four ECM modules, damage and powergrid/capacitor. With the supporting fleet my fighters couldn't stay out long enough, and the missiles were being repped through. They could field more caps too, and were seen moving FAX machines in so they could presumably field those, but they were struggling against the dps cap so they chose to bring a carrier instead, the fighters of which I kept killing.

The defense timer was just about to tick over about an hour and fifteen minutes after they started since they were struggling to keep the dread locked and I was forcing the rest of what they had off, but then they brought in some friends and that was that.
Dartgnan
Black Wormholes of Apocrypha
TOGETHER WE STAND
#112 - 2016-06-26 06:27:23 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:

[sarcasm]
Haven't you been paying attention? These people have done EXTENSIVE TESTING and PROVED 100% that the astrahus could not possibly hurt a fly, let alone a dread. No matter what fitting is used, they are weaker than a small POS.
[/sarcasm]


Actually you are the one not paying attention, or having a VERY short memory ( no surprises here ). It was mentioned several times that the citadels are very weak against SUB-CAPITALS, while the anti-cap weapons are very efficient.
Dark Apprentice
Home of the brave
#113 - 2016-06-26 06:32:14 UTC
Dartgnan wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:

[sarcasm]
Haven't you been paying attention? These people have done EXTENSIVE TESTING and PROVED 100% that the astrahus could not possibly hurt a fly, let alone a dread. No matter what fitting is used, they are weaker than a small POS.
[/sarcasm]


Actually you are the one not paying attention, or having a VERY short memory ( no surprises here ). It was mentioned several times that the citadels are very weak against SUB-CAPITALS, while the anti-cap weapons are very efficient.


Don't bother mate. We are the "idiots", and he is "the one". He can change everything just by looking at it.
Dartgnan
Black Wormholes of Apocrypha
TOGETHER WE STAND
#114 - 2016-06-26 06:35:31 UTC
Dark Apprentice wrote:
Don't bother mate. We are the "idiots", and he is "the one". He can change everything just by looking at it.


Yeah no wonder the devs do not watch these threads. Every time a legitimate problem is raised, one of these guys starts ranting and brings everything to their kindergarten level.
John Volan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#115 - 2016-06-26 07:50:58 UTC
Dartgnan wrote:
Dark Apprentice wrote:
Don't bother mate. We are the "idiots", and he is "the one". He can change everything just by looking at it.


Yeah no wonder the devs do not watch these threads. Every time a legitimate problem is raised, one of these guys starts ranting and brings everything to their kindergarten level.

Never argue with idiots, they'll only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.


Personally I like the changes because they're broad and sweeping and shake things up, good or bad. As someone who's just come back to the game it makes it exciting to see where it goes from here. Also, cut the Devs some slack, balancing an mmo is incredibly hard at any time but even more so for an established ecosystem like Eve.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#116 - 2016-06-26 16:26:34 UTC
What "legitimate problem" was raised again?

That the devs gave you exactly 100% what they promised with Citadels?

The *only* problems raised in this thread are that you guys are greedy, entitled idiots who *expected* a lot of things that *were never even hinted at*.


You can persist in calling me names and sticking your heads in the sand - but it doesn't make you any less wrong.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#117 - 2016-06-26 16:28:29 UTC
As far as the dev's not watching these threads, I turn your attention to *page 1*:

CCP Darwin wrote:
Quote:
New structure hulls are going to replace Starbases, Outposts and Deployables over time

(emphasis mine.)

This time has not yet arrived.

In the meantime, please feel most welcome to construct a player-owned-starbase our outpost if they fit your needs better.


Where the dev in fact told you exactly what I have been telling you, albeit in a nicer, more polite/professional way.


I presume the devs are discouraged from insulting their customers - even when the customers are as deserving of insults as you lot.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#118 - 2016-06-26 17:22:11 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Soldarius wrote:
https://zkillboard.com/system/30000250/ship/35833/

Looks pretty exciting to me. Our Fortizar in P3EN-E gets about 10 kills a day; mostly solo.

Oh look, a Null Citadel abusing drag bubbles near a gate is getting frigate kills, and a lone cruiser kill...... Obviously Citadels are balanced in all areas of space.
Really? That's the best argument you can come up with when using drag bubbles onto a citadel because CCP didn't think about that abuse of the system that it's a fair representation of how a Citadel can actually defend itself or act as a force multiplier against an attack.....
Especially since we've already said Citadels in Null are in a better state than Citadels elsewhere, because they get better defence modules in Null like AOE weapons such as bomb launchers, a smart bomb type weapon, and the XL gets a doomsday.
Totally applies to Citadels elsewhere.

Thanks for utterly making my point though when you resort to such a weak argument.

Jack Hayson wrote:

Ah ok, so it's just some left over salt from the industry revamp and has actually nothing to do with citadels.
Was already starting to wonder if I had missed something in the patch notes... Roll


Try actually reading the actual players reply to you, not the forum alt who is just trolling and abusing everyone.


I think that pretty much nailed it... Re-quoted as it was such an awesome retort !!!!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
#119 - 2016-06-26 18:10:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Sustrai Aditua
Eli Stan wrote:
Sustrai Aditua wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Sustrai Aditua wrote:
I BELIEVE! I BELIEVE!

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Mind if I ask, "Huh?"
Oh, by the way, "the literate" is plural. The literate are....
"A literate" is singular. A literate is....
When you correct someone's English do it properly.
I suspect it's shortened from "the literate person is..." as opposed to "the literate people are..." or "the literates are..." So singular instead of plural seems more correct to me. YMMV.
LOL, if we got to do English the way it "seems" then we'd all have passed with A+ . Fortunately for civilization,
such is not the case. Intention has nothing to do with it. What winds up in print is all there is. Take it from an editor.

If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2016-06-26 19:15:31 UTC
Jennifer Maxwell wrote:
Eli Stan wrote:
Jennifer Maxwell wrote:
I permajammed a nag that was trying to assault my astrahus, up until they refit for sensor boosters and brought in an opposing fleet.


How was your Astrahus fit? In the 30 minutes it takes to reinforce one, you should have been able to do enough damage to a seiged dread to kill it.


Two subcap missiles, two heavy neuts, four ECM modules, damage and powergrid/capacitor. With the supporting fleet my fighters couldn't stay out long enough, and the missiles were being repped through. They could field more caps too, and were seen moving FAX machines in so they could presumably field those, but they were struggling against the dps cap so they chose to bring a carrier instead, the fighters of which I kept killing.

The defense timer was just about to tick over about an hour and fifteen minutes after they started since they were struggling to keep the dread locked and I was forcing the rest of what they had off, but then they brought in some friends and that was that.
Ah, yeah, that sort of fit isn't going to do much at all against any committed attacker, I think. The subcap missile launchers are trash against subcaps, doing only about as much damage as one or two battleships which can easily be countered by a few logi, and obviously trash against dreads like the Nag you were fighting. The ECM mods do well to remove four hostile ships from the fight, but that's only temporary unlike actually destroying ships. Finally, heavy neuts have a decent cycle time but take several cycles to cap out anything.

Instead, for your next Astrahus try two anti-capital launchers (they would have been able to kill that Nag), an XL neut, and a bomb launcher. For the mids, at least one scram, one web, and one TP - for the final mid you can do either another TP or another web. With web and TP, the anti-cap launchers actually do as much damage against subcaps as the anti-subcap launchers. You'll still lose the Astrahus to a subcap fleet with logi support without getting any kills if you're on your own, but you'll take out enough caps sent against you to at least make your kb not-red if they go that route.