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"Removing the in-game browser from the game does take away a significant convenience feature" yes i agree with this

"Wow, I don't like this because it'll be inconvenient" agree again

so as a paying customer i have become used to having the IGB and use it for a variety of tools everyday i login, these have become integral to my game play style, along with many people in this thread (also i live in wormholes so a good number of tools ).
so if you are taking the IGB out of the game and forcing a paying customer to swap his game style to a way i dont want eg, alt tabbing out of game trying to get overlays to work which they dont when you have multiple clients over many screens or just not having these tools altogther in some cases (siggy), then thats your choice as owners of the game. my choice as the paying customer and not getting the service i have become used to as it being altered in a way i dont like is to not pay for this service anymore, today you lost active acounts from a long time player

Have any of the Eve news sites reached out to the DOTLAN, various mapper and market devs (those outside of CCP) to see if they are working through this? Player reaction from those who are only users seems less significant to me than the reactions of those who are creators of these important 3rd party programs.

Thank you for the continued work by CCP. The rationale for eliminating the IGB seems legit.

So where is the problem in implementing a simple ingame "web image viewer" ?
Or where is the problem in going back to a basic IGB just like the one before the current one, where it was intentionally limited?
I remember the nerdy times when I onlined in Eve only to check my webmails through the ingame browser. Simply because I could.

if I have to translate the official CCP responses so far, it goes like this:

"We don't have enough staff to work on a better ingame browser so we suggest to use a third party solution"

Let's be real here, any recent "deprecation" of yours has been because of the lack of will to maintain something. Or the lack of time to maintain something, which means you would need to hire more people. Hiring more people means spending more money, which you obviously can't, based on the choices you made since 2014.
If you chose to replace it, then the solution either has been worse than before, or you are still "working on it", aka starmap, opportunities, etc.

Your idea is to outsource as much work as possible
You keep milking the efforts of playerbase without giving them any rewards for being an integral part of keeping your game alive.

Eve is not an "old game that is scheduled to die".
Eve can live free and happy for many years to come, but not based on choices like this, and not based on lacking integration of meaningful and unique content.
I wonder when you wake up and realize you've been digging your own grave since years, and the only reason that players keep at eve is the social contacts and the feels of nostalgia they established. The amount of people I know who only use eve as a chatroom grow by the month.

Edit: There is a difference in leaving a game because one dislikes the changes of GAME mechanics, or leaving the game because of changes how to INTERACT with the game. The former is an evolution of the product, which is solely in the mind of the producers. The latter however has everything to do with customer usability, which cannot be argued in the same way as "it's our game dude, we do what we want." If you keep pushing people out due to design and other choices, that's an entirely different issue than rebalancing a ship to be in line which causes people to grump and exit.

Because they are crap and difficult to work with. You need an extra set of shortcut combinations to use Overwolf (as if Eve itself doesn't rely on enough of those!) and it also either gets in the way, or is difficult to find when you want it.

I appreciate the reasons for getting to get rid of the IGB, and they are good ones, but I think you have grossly underestimated how important and useful the IGB is to a large number of people.

I use it a lot, and having to minimize the game to check something online is a huge pain in the ass.

You can't simly minimize the game at any time to do that. If I do it whilst running Incursions as a group I'll get someone killed. If I do it whilst in dangerous space, I'll probably get myself killed. If I do it whilst mooching around in highsec, well i'm not really even playing the game at that point...

You need to provide a better alternate solution, not just say "use an overlay, and if it doesn't work, that's your problem".

And seriously, why was the EVElopedia removed? That was useful as hell, way more friendly than trying to use the market and show info windows for the same purpose.

Regarding the mapper for wormholes, why the heck doesn't the game have something similar built in? If you're a wormhole noob and don't know about the mapper, you're stuffed.

I have a colleague at work who, as a new player, gave up on wormholes because he kept getting lost and killed; you can't expect new players to know there is a third party mapper, let alone know if it's safe to use or even allowed.

Only the fleet boss needs to auth to get access to all fleet member locations. Logging in with SSO, to a site to track fleet details.


https://github.com/fuzzysteve/fleetTracker is a very very basic example of how you can use it.


(There's a slight delay between actions, and them showing up in the results. Each system reports who's in it to the fleet node, once every 30 seconds. those 30 seconds can be slightly off set from each other, depending on the system)

CCP, please make a poll to see who wants to keep / uses the IGB (maybe have some comments section to ask people how/why they are using it). Put some real alternatives there aside the IGB and see what people choose.

Considering how important the Meta Game is to Eve (some would say the meta game IS Eve, or an integral and necessary part of it), I'm surprised that you would even concieve of getting rid of the IGB.

There is plenty to complain about with the IGB, but there's more to complain about by not having one (particulary for those who've become accustomed to having it and use it everyday - as I do - and am currently hating on links no longer opening in the IGB).

When you talked about this some time ago, I assumd you would come up with a solution that involved having a 3rd party browser open inside an in-game window. That's what I was expecting. Not sure why that's what I was expecting, or why it isn't (can't) be done.

But look at us now. Instead of asking for a myraid improvements to the gimpy IGB here we are begging you to not get rid of it.

Well that's what it's come to. Unless you can demonstrate some other solution that actually works much better (and I've not seen a current overlay solution that does), then we'd rather have the IGB left in game. Like I mentioned previously, even if you have to turn it off by default and put a check box in the options screen under a heading for "Old unsupported features."

In a nutshell; the reason we're unwilling to use overlays is because they don't work. They're slower. They're unreliable. And let's not get started on the Mac users.

To anyone bringing the argument that third party services can be used to access the data you put into crest; wonderful... so what? Why do I need to install extra stuff again? Not everyone wants to "mod their games". What happened to the good old vanilla experience? What's in the box, is in the box.

Webshell image integration and direct access to Crest via ingame means.
That would be a start.

And since Foxfour is no longer on the team again, who is the person in charge to direct our well constructed complains to? Who is going to reply to them? Or did you already cut all possibilities of discussion and you do whatever you want from this point onward?

Could you link to where you obtained this information? I'd be curious to read it. Foxfour hasn't exactly conducted him/herself in a manner consistent with good customer service, but I never expected moving him/her to a different team.

Some acknowledgement of the myriad concerns raised by the player base beyond what is essentially we don't want to, deal with it, would be nice CCP.

And just to be clear, he left for his own reasons.