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Eve without ISK from NPC
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Jozhin Z Bazhin
Legendary Purpose
#1 - 2016-06-24 08:30:45 UTC
I wonder how Eve would look like if the only way to make money is player interaction.

No bounty from NPC kill (loot is ok - we need meta modules)

Trade, mining, salvage player/NPC wrecks would be the only way to get ISK.

Incursions, ratting etc will be no big source of income (CONCORD LP store disabled, just as all CONCORD agents).

ISK will be of high demand, PLEX go down, ships prices go up (may be)?

What else? Will ppl tend to be more cautios to get engaged into PvP? or since looting enemy modules will be biggest source of quick money for non-traders charactrers fights will become much more common? Less PVE grinding more PvP shooting?
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#2 - 2016-06-24 08:52:57 UTC
All the Isk would disappear. The game would die.

User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'
Arkoth 24
Doomheim
#3 - 2016-06-24 09:28:37 UTC
In "full-sand-box-worlds" people need to make their own currency to make their deals, and make that currency to be trusted. Or just make it from something of high demand, like gold. But world there is under full control of people.

New Eden is just too complex: where are a lot of areas not controlled by capsuleers - goverments, planets, skill copies making - you name it. Capsuleers control only a tiny part of cluster's economy and trade.

There's no way to cut down any ISK-based interaction between capsuleers and all other world.

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Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#4 - 2016-06-24 12:01:33 UTC
You would also have to remove all isk sinks. No more clone jump fees, market tax, insurance cost of pay out. However, even then isk would trickle out of the game as players stopped playing with wallets full. No prices would drop, they would all skyrocket as large groups/indivduals with already big wallets would horde supplies. I have no clue why you think plex prices would drop. People would buy as many as they could while they had isk causing prices to grow.

On the other hand, if you mean remove all isk and go to a better system, that would suck. Many societies started that way, but money made life easier. Most likely you would see someone like chribba create their own.currency based on an external market site. Those few sites would hold a monopoly and life would suck as they could control prices.
Roci Nantes
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2016-06-24 13:54:48 UTC
Well, for starters, did you know that governments inject and decrease money in their economies in real life? If there isn't a centralized way of doing this, it would become more of a barter system.

What is money without something to "define" it. Maybe I want your eyeballs as currency.. maybe my neighbor thinks his bad hat collection should be currency....


Without NPC isk, you end up with large bands of players forcing everyone to bend to how they want to play and new players having no way to get into the system. How do you get someone to pay for game where as soon as you log in someone comes and takes all your stuff and leaves you stranded somewhere with no ship, no money and no way to earn any of it.


People love to hurt other people, if you think anyone would behave long enough to establish anything, they wouldn't.
Wanda Fayne
#6 - 2016-06-24 14:40:05 UTC
"Who runs BarterTown?"

"your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic" -Lan Wang-

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Trader20
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2016-06-24 14:42:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Trader20
Players flying around smartbombing each other yelling witness me Lol
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-06-24 14:45:17 UTC
Wanda Fayne wrote:
"Who runs BarterTown?"


Who ever controls the crossbows.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#9 - 2016-06-24 14:46:03 UTC
I personally should be given the ability to generate isk. I can then feed it into the system at a responsible, controlled rate - to compensate for the lack of any other isk source in the game. Bear

Foolproof plan - lets do it!

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#10 - 2016-06-24 14:50:46 UTC
Jozhin Z Bazhin wrote:
I wonder how Eve would look like if the only way to make money is player interaction.

No bounty from NPC kill (loot is ok - we need meta modules)

Trade, mining, salvage player/NPC wrecks would be the only way to get ISK.

Incursions, ratting etc will be no big source of income (CONCORD LP store disabled, just as all CONCORD agents).

ISK will be of high demand, PLEX go down, ships prices go up (may be)?

What else? Will ppl tend to be more cautios to get engaged into PvP? or since looting enemy modules will be biggest source of quick money for non-traders charactrers fights will become much more common? Less PVE grinding more PvP shooting?


Where would the ISK come from?

ALL ISK originated from an NPC one way or another (Insurance, Bounties, Mission Awards, Selling trade goods to NPC brokers).

If all NPC originated ISK were removed, then there would be no ISK.

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Actually I take that back.

Each capsuleer starts with 5k ISK inheritance. The whole game would be either fighting for that 5k, or better yet, Alt farming just for the 5k would suddenly be lucrative even with a 24 hour bio-timer.

Ugh....

EvE, I swear...

--Gadget

Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist

Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-06-24 14:51:40 UTC
@the op

Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes... The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Scarlett LaBlanc
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-06-24 16:55:09 UTC
Any thread that can put in my head the voices of Tina Turner, Bill Murray AND a silent film actor.... is a WIN
Xayder
modro
The Initiative.
#13 - 2016-06-24 18:46:43 UTC
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
All the Isk would disappear. The game would die.



The game is already dying since 6th of May 2003

I don't always post, But when i post I do it with my main
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#14 - 2016-06-24 19:08:24 UTC
Xayder wrote:
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
All the Isk would disappear. The game would die.



The game is already dying since 6th of May 2003

Some deaths are faster/uglier than others.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#15 - 2016-06-24 19:20:53 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
@the op

Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes... The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!


So pretty much my Facebook feed this morning with Brexit.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#16 - 2016-06-24 19:45:06 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
Elenahina wrote:
@the op

Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes... The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!


So pretty much my Facebook feed this morning with Brexit.

Please don't bring RL politics into the thread, it is against the forum rules.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#17 - 2016-06-24 19:54:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#18 - 2016-06-24 19:57:21 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Zydrine will become new currency. Lol


No way....exotic dancers!
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#19 - 2016-06-24 20:01:38 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Zydrine will become new currency. Lol


LolLolLol

There's a thread somewhere about someone wanting to put EvE on the "Tritanium Standard".

I'd search for it, but my search-fu is limited to Siri. Blink

--Gadget

Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist

Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
Thomas Lot
London Elektricity
#20 - 2016-06-24 20:12:07 UTC
There would still be PvE content if only for the Meta Modules.

Another suggestion would be to have NPC merchants that would buy the dropped PVE mods for Isk. This would set up another layer of competition for the meta drops and provide the Isk injection to the economy. CCP economists would have to balance NPC buy-back prices to keep the currency market from entering either stagnation or inflation.
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