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Gila still viable for c3 WHs

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safetypin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-06-23 21:59:48 UTC
Title says it all really, is a Gila still able to tackle c3 anoms/sigs?

Thanks in advance
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#2 - 2016-06-24 08:26:20 UTC
Yep, the tank didn't change at all. The sites just take a little longer and be careful with neuts.

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safetypin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-06-24 13:10:29 UTC
Thanks bud, contemplating going full passive cause yea dem evil neuts
Pax Deltari
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-06-24 14:17:24 UTC
Gila does most of them no problem. Would recommend Rattlesnake though, if you can afford it.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#5 - 2016-06-24 14:59:42 UTC
That what I would advise too. You can go with 3x shield extender and even with neuts you can have one invulnerability field on and orbit the anomaly with an afterburner.

Sleeper like switching targets a lot and when they go for your drones, recall them (drone navigation computer recommended but not necessary).

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Cade Windstalker
#6 - 2016-06-24 15:16:38 UTC
Anyone mind posting some starter WH Gila and/or Rattle fits?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-06-24 19:24:01 UTC
don't think you'll be able to do the one with the double BS spawn, they just alpha you through peak recharge with those missiles.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#8 - 2016-06-25 01:38:11 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Anyone mind posting some starter WH Gila and/or Rattle fits?


Yes I do because I to teach you how to fish, so you can be fed for life. If I give you a meal, you need to come back and ask for another, since you didn't learn how to fish.

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Pax Deltari
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-06-27 19:14:28 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Anyone mind posting some starter WH Gila and/or Rattle fits?


Yes I do because I to teach you how to fish, so you can be fed for life. If I give you a meal, you need to come back and ask for another, since you didn't learn how to fish.


You're an idiot. Why post just to let him know you're a ****?

Yeah so easy Gila Fit. (Would recommend C2's not C3's in it.)
Please note a key to this fit is having a mobile depot on hand and switching out as the encounter goes on.

Highs:
Prototype Cloaking Device
Rapid Light Missile Launcher x4

Mids:
x4 Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender (Large Shield Extender II works as well)
x1 Pithum B-Type EM Ward Amplifier (EM Ward II works as well)
x1 Adaptive Invulnerability Field II (I use the Pithum B-Type Thermal Dissipation Amplifier because sometimes the Neuts kill your invuln and that's sad)

In your cargo bay: 50MN MicroWarp Drive

Lows:
x3 Drone Damage Amplifier

In your Cargo Bay: x3 Shield Power Relay (Another reason I prefer the Thermal Dissipation Amplifier. These kill your Cap Regen which hurts your invlun field active mod.)

Rigs: x3 Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Drones: Hammerhead II's and a flight of Warrior II's

So normally you go into a site with your MWD equipped instead of a LSE quickly get over to the middle of the site so nothing will be out of range for your drones. Then drop Mobile Depot and Mobile Tractor Unit and switch the MWD for LSE. Then as your Tank starts failing switch out your Drone Damage Amplifiers for the Shield Power Relays. You can tank any C2 Anomaly and most C3 but the C3's take so long to do I don't think it's worth it in a Gila.

Fitting a RattleSnake is about the same thing but Rapid Heavies in the High's and 3 DDA 3 BCU's. Rattlesnakes can do all C3's and some C4's. If you find a C4 Pulsar you are in heaven. C5 with Pulsar you can do some of those as well.
Cade Windstalker
#10 - 2016-06-27 19:19:22 UTC
Quote trimmed for the sake of the poor forum formatting.

Pax Deltari wrote:
So normally you go into a site with your MWD equipped instead of a LSE quickly get over to the middle of the site so nothing will be out of range for your drones. Then drop Mobile Depot and Mobile Tractor Unit and switch the MWD for LSE. Then as your Tank starts failing switch out your Drone Damage Amplifiers for the Shield Power Relays. You can tank any C2 Anomaly and most C3 but the C3's take so long to do I don't think it's worth it in a Gila.

Fitting a RattleSnake is about the same thing but Rapid Heavies in the High's and 3 DDA 3 BCU's. Rattlesnakes can do all C3's and some C4's. If you find a C4 Pulsar you are in heaven. C5 with Pulsar you can do some of those as well.


Thanks! Very much appreciated Big smile

Is there anywhere you feel the fit can be improved with good skills or slightly more expensive mods?

Don't worry about the trolls, I've been around these forums long enough to know who is and isn't a pain in the warp-core... Lol
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#11 - 2016-06-27 19:33:49 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Don't worry about the trolls, I've been around these forums long enough to know who is and isn't a pain in the warp-core... Lol



Elia does have a point though - relatively few people have absolutely no idea about how to fit a ship, and it would be much better to firstly suggest one so that others might critique it (with the OP hopefully learning something about fitting strategies in the process, thus paying dividends later on down the road), as opposed to merely being spoon-fed.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
#12 - 2016-06-27 20:12:17 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Quote trimmed for the sake of the poor forum formatting.

Pax Deltari wrote:
So normally you go into a site with your MWD equipped instead of a LSE quickly get over to the middle of the site so nothing will be out of range for your drones. Then drop Mobile Depot and Mobile Tractor Unit and switch the MWD for LSE. Then as your Tank starts failing switch out your Drone Damage Amplifiers for the Shield Power Relays. You can tank any C2 Anomaly and most C3 but the C3's take so long to do I don't think it's worth it in a Gila.

Fitting a RattleSnake is about the same thing but Rapid Heavies in the High's and 3 DDA 3 BCU's. Rattlesnakes can do all C3's and some C4's. If you find a C4 Pulsar you are in heaven. C5 with Pulsar you can do some of those as well.


Thanks! Very much appreciated Big smile

Is there anywhere you feel the fit can be improved with good skills or slightly more expensive mods?

Don't worry about the trolls, I've been around these forums long enough to know who is and isn't a pain in the warp-core... Lol


I'm personally a fan of t2 purger rigs. Yes, they're more expensive, but they let you keep damage amps in your lows for significantly longer.
Cade Windstalker
#13 - 2016-06-27 21:02:11 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Don't worry about the trolls, I've been around these forums long enough to know who is and isn't a pain in the warp-core... Lol



Elia does have a point though - relatively few people have absolutely no idea about how to fit a ship, and it would be much better to firstly suggest one so that others might critique it (with the OP hopefully learning something about fitting strategies in the process, thus paying dividends later on down the road), as opposed to merely being spoon-fed.


This is less a case of not knowing how to fit a ship and more a case of me not knowing what I should be fitting due to lack of practical experience.

Basically I know enough to know that I should just ask, rather than vomiting out something bad and asking for feedback, as well as potentially giving someone else who didn't read far enough bad information.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#14 - 2016-06-28 01:07:32 UTC
Pax Deltari wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Anyone mind posting some starter WH Gila and/or Rattle fits?


Yes I do because I to teach you how to fish, so you can be fed for life. If I give you a meal, you need to come back and ask for another, since you didn't learn how to fish.


You're an idiot. Why post just to let him know you're a ****?

Yeah so easy Gila Fit. (Would recommend C2's not C3's in it.)
Please note a key to this fit is having a mobile depot on hand and switching out as the encounter goes on.
....a possible Gila fit....


He didn't ask your advice for fitting a Rattlesnake and insulting me won't help him figure this out either.

But since you are so clever with your eft "skills" I can tell you without any doubt that that fit will maybe run 2 c3 anomalies before he has to go back.
Or won't if that hole happens to be a magnetar.

I always love it when people like you fit for maximum dps(esttest) without any further analyzing what he will be facing and if hovering his mobile fitting service is a good idea.

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Pax Deltari
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-06-28 14:35:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Pax Deltari
elitatwo wrote:

But since you are so clever with your eft "skills" I can tell you without any doubt that that fit will maybe run 2 c3 anomalies before he has to go back.
Or won't if that hole happens to be a magnetar.


Nope sorry man you are still an idiot.
In case you missed it.
"(Would recommend C2's not C3's in it.)"
"You can tank any C2 Anomaly and most C3 but the C3's take so long to do I don't think it's worth it in a Gila."

Insulting you AND THEN posting a fit and explaining it will help him though. Also with a passive shield tank you never go back. You just wait for a little bit. But shows how much you know :)

Also a Magnetar is a nice treat if you run into it. Sleepers aren't affected by wormhole effects so a Magnetar would just increase the speed at which you run the sites. You can also get away with doing more C3 sites in a Magnetar because you can burst down the main DPS Sleeper Battleships before they have a chance to break your tank.

Moving on...

Cade Windstalker wrote:

Is there anywhere you feel the fit can be improved with good skills or slightly more expensive mods?


Yeah there are a few things you can do.
You can put on T2 Purges rigs instead of T1 for more passive tank.
You can use better faction resists, like A-Types etc. etc.

Eventually the bling isn't really worth it. The cost if you lose your ship can get very high and the efficiency you are getting stops being worth it when you know how to tank all of the sites. I'm not sure what the right balance is here so experiment with what works for you. I remember when I first started running around in the Gila/Snake in Wormholes I just used T2 so that's still viable though maybe not super efficient. I think your money would be better saved up for a RattleSnake so you could do C2 and C3 sites much much faster. It's just a bigger more powerful Gila, but at the same time I know the price tag could be a bit scary. That being said if you can afford it but this is your first time adventuring in Wormhole space, I would suggest you start out with a Gila so you could learn the ropes on a cheaper ship.

If you'd like I can sort of explain the set-up I used when I went solo crabbing in wormhole space.

Also a pro tip on the mobile depot -- Keep at least 2 warp core stabilizers in your cargo bay. If you happen to get tackled by an enemy ship that you aren't going to fight, you can quickly equip them to overpower his Warp Scram/Disruptor and get out of there alive. Also nice to keep an afterburner in case you get bubbled and scrammed so you could still have a fighting chance of getting away before reinforcements arrive. (Or if you get bubbled on a wormhole)

LMK if you have any more questions, I'm happy to share how to do it.
Matt Benneth
Strictly Moral Support
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#16 - 2016-06-28 16:36:38 UTC
My advice carry 3 warp core stabs because every smart non-poor hunter will have faction scram Big smile
Maekchu
Doomheim
#17 - 2016-06-28 16:54:42 UTC
Matt Benneth wrote:
My advice carry 3 warp core stabs because every smart non-poor hunter will have faction scram Big smile

Every smart non-poor hunter will have more than one scram, meaning 3 stabs are not enough.

But forget the stabs. They are useless. Learn how to not get scrammed in the first place.
Pax Deltari
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2016-06-28 16:59:45 UTC
You're probably not going to run into a hunter as much as just a wormhole denizen passing through who will try to gank you. Or whoever owns the hole you're hunting in.

If for some reason you can't get away, at the end of the day you ARE armed with rapid lights and you have a flight of warriors. You shouldn't have a problem bursting down a tackle frigate to GTFO (That being said then you can't use your mobile depot so make smart choices)
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2016-06-28 18:53:12 UTC
I spent 8/9 months based from a C4, the Gila was perfect for the job with it's huge versatility.
The available slot layout has changed since then, but you will be fine with the Gila as it is STILL an awesome ship to fly.

A cloaking device is pretty much an essential item in the fit along with a damage control.

The only real choice you have, Purgers or Extenders in the rigging slots
both have an advantage that apply at different times.
the purgers will be of most use whilst combating NPC's in the anomalies
the extenders will give you more raw shield hp "if" you don't pay attention to d-scan and get attacked by other players.

neither of these choices will save you from exploding in the long run as the extenders just prolong the agony, but they also give your friends a little more time to show up and rescue you.



Pax Deltari
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2016-06-28 20:31:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Pax Deltari
You ran C4 sites in a Gila?

And a damage control is a terrible terrible module to have if you are trying to run Sigs/Anoms in a passive shield tanked ship. Same with shield extender rigs. You'd have to constantly fly out and fly back in and your efficiency would be in the toilet.

Don't get me wrong, great for PvP in many situations but in PvE? Not at all. (I mean unless you're in a fleet and have logi but yeah...)
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