EVE New Citizens Q&A

They added them a few months ago.

And yes... they are removing them.

DEV Post:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=485648&find=unread


Dude... it is a trap.

Skillpoints are not the end-all-be-all aspect of the game.

I have 130 million skillpoints and I can have my ass handed to me by a scrub with 5 million skillpoints if I...
- am in the wrong ship
- have the wrong fit
- use the wrong tactic
- am outnumbered
- do something monumentally dumb
- have been drinking too much (euhhh... that might also fall into the last point)


Surprisingly, no... removing something generally is not common (not without months of updates and communication beforehand). A lot of us were surprised.

It seems it was more an experiment on the part of the DEVs to see if it would increase logged in players. Turns out they saw a small bump, but nothing terribly significant.

The DEVs also have to consider that it was a big point of contention with more than a few other players (myself included) who saw the "dailies" as a foreshadowing of possible "grinding for SP mechanics"...

.. which some of us leave games over (because it is a despicable mechanic that does not encourage you to do what you want... only things that increase your power).

Don't wait. That is also a trap.

With very few exceptions, every limitation you run into skillwise has a way around it.


You may not be able to fly that interceptor right away... but you can certainly retrofit a speedy Tech 1 frigates that can perform a similar function.
You may not be able to fly a Heavy Assault Cruiser... but that doesn't mean you can't take part in a HAC gang. Simply fit a regular cruiser so that its resistances are as high as possible... as that is one of the primary reasons to fly a HAC over a regular cruiser.

Alternatively... you can always fly a less skill intensive role (like scouting, probing, and tackling).


Pro-tip: you can increase the accuracy of your guns by "manually flying" your ship.

The idea is to lower the relative speed between your ship and the target ship (I am not sure I explained this properly so I will provide some examples).

Some examples:

If a target ship's trajectory is directly to or away (see: straight line) from your ship... your weapons have a higher chance of hitting.

If a target ship's trajectory is parallel relative to your ship... your weapons have a higher chance of hitting.

If a target ship's trajectory is perpendicular or "spiraling" relative to your ship... your odds of scoring a hit decrease.


Short range weapons (Blasters, Autocannons, Pulse Lasers) have an easier time dealing with ship movement and pack a bigger punch, but lack range
Long range weapons (Railguns, Artillery, Beam Lasers) have a harder time up close due to poor accuracy, but have lots of range (which, when utilized properly, can increase accuracy).

Missiles always hit as long as you are a little under optimal range and/or the target is not running from you. However missiles are more class specific and tend to have terrible damage application against ships smaller than their class (due to speed and sensor "footprint" size).

Euhhhh... it gets kinda blurry there.

I may have... but I don't really remember.


I can confirm that I am also a terrible player.

While skill points are not the be all and end all, I have enjoyed being able to remove 4 hours a day of skill training. Just for playing the game.

This is worth hammering on. These roles, while not skill point intensive, are some of the most real-skill intensive roles in a fleet.
They don't take much more than a frigate and maybe a week of training to get decent sp for, but can take the better part of 1000 hours to master.
If you get good at any of those three roles, your fc will propose to you.

source= I waited. Now I have 55m sp and I'm a total noob at everything.
I can get a t3(c or d) shot out from under me by npcs like a pro.

If I remember well, CCP has stated before they released the patch that it is only a temporary experiment.

My personal feeling is that developers struggle to keep the balance between two things:

- Trying to have new players joining Eve and not leaving just after they know it will take months of real time for them to be decent on doing anything, supposing they are so lucky to chose the correct direction of their training...

- Keep old players using and paying for several accounts to be able to do what they prefer on Eve without noticing lack of flexibility on almost everything in-game is there just to keep them paying more than other mmorpgs...


Dailies is just one of the tool devs are trying to use to give a little acceleration to the first category of players ( noobs ) without having veterans complaying too much...

A failing tool maybe for reasons obscure to me...

But imo Devs try to do things at random all time, there is no clear line on anything here, just random tries so this one is simply one of them...

Having low skills forces you to get creative to win fights. That's how you really lean to exploit your ship''s strengths and compensate for or avoid its weaknesses. People who buy characters or skillpoints don't get that experience and in the end are worse off for it because they don't think outside the box.

You'll always learn more from a loss than a win. Don't worry about losing. Worry about getting better.

Yes and no.


If you are a scout... then possibly. You can give bad intel (or the enemy can be hiding their main force somewhere you do not know about)... which can result in your fleet being curbstomped.
However, most Fleet Commanders take this into account and adjust tactics accordingly and/or have multiple scouts to have maximum coverage.

As a tackler... your job can mean the difference between catching and killing a target... chasing off hostile support ships (like Electronic Warfare)... or running interference against a superior ship that is bearing down on a more costly asset.

I should also point out that Scouts and Tacklers are not mutually exclusive roles. In small to medium sized groups, you can be both.

In very small groups... everyone is a scout and tackler in some form. Once a target is pinned down, everyone will drop what they are doing to come and assist. Think of such a group as an "amoeba of death" or a "wolfpack."
(see: in micro to small gangs, there is generally no true centralized command. One person simply sets a destination for everyone else and you all move to a system, scatter looking for targets, move to a system, scatter looking for targets, rinse and repeat... the person who grabs a target assumes command for that particular skirmish).



edit: Finally, no matter what... ships are going to explode. People who PvP know that there is always a risk that they can lose everything... even if they do everything correctly. So don't worry too much about doing something "dumb." We have all been there (check out the first thread linked in my signature... lots of stories in there).

It is all part of the fun.


Do you have a picture? I am not sure I know what you are talking about.

Ohhhhhhh... that. Yeah... that is the new 3d tactical thingamajig. I want to say it has something to do with drones/fighters... but I am not sure.

I would stick with double clicking (unless someone else can enlighten me on how to "properly" use it).