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[Focus Group] Contracts in Citadels

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NoobMan
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2016-06-21 03:40:34 UTC
Kenneth Feld wrote:
Logistics director for PL

Followed Citadels from the start in Slack

Proven to get on sisi and test and provide valuable feedback and bug testing


Definitely include kenneth for this, First name that came to my mind.

Operations Director of Hard K(n)ocks Inc.

Cpt Patrick Archer
I HAVE THE POWER OF GOD AND ANIME ON MY SIDE
Blue Eyes and Exodia Toon Duelist Kingdom Duelers
#22 - 2016-06-21 07:39:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Cpt Patrick Archer
I'm in charge of logistics in TRI and would love to help out.

I've done at least 500 couriers myself, so know how the mechanics work. I talk to my JF pilots on a daily basis and I know their concerns.

Our service has moved trillions in the last year, so no small player. Delivering to 4 regions of nullsec.


In the future our deployment stagings will probably be Citadels, which means it's going to be nothing but couriers between the two. So the sooner we get this implemented the right way, the sooner we get to use Citadels to their full potential. Smile


Contracts in citadels are the final frontier!
klana depp
Tr0pa de elite.
#23 - 2016-06-21 08:14:18 UTC
interested as well.

im doing logistics for both my corp as well as (sometimes) on an alliance scale, have deployed citadels on both sisi and tq, and am regularly using contracts for ship orders and such.

im on tweetfleet slack as well, although not 24/7 active there.
Fafer
Tr0pa de elite.
#24 - 2016-06-21 08:16:12 UTC
I recommend following people from the thread to be included:
- Kenneth Feld
- Lyn Fel
- Cpt Patrick Archer
- klana depp
ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#25 - 2016-06-21 10:40:47 UTC
I do not have an extensive background in contracting, but only because as a wormholer of 7 years we have never had them. (I am familiar with contracts, but not to the degree many of these others logi directors are most likely). I am very familiar with citadels themselves.

I am however very experienced in the logistics that it takes to keep a wormhole corp running, and since this feature will likely have a large impact on how we do some things in wormholes I would like to toss my name in to represent the wormhole "niche" and try and ensure that contracts will take WH's potentially unique needs into account.

I am busy the rest of the week with a large eve meet in case actually takes off this week; otherwise ready to go next week.

Event Organizer of EVE North East

Panda Solette
Roving Guns Inc.
Pandemic Legion
#26 - 2016-06-21 16:41:32 UTC
Hmm I'll toss my name in there.

I'm in charge of logistics for Mercenary Coalition. I have experience in courier contracts as well as using contracts to provide doctrine fitted ships to our alliance.

As an alliance we are mobile moving every month or so as the deployments change. As part of this I am used to organising rapid movement of our alliance assets, and pilots assets to allow us to perform whatever task we are being paid to do. As well as this I also help to ensure that all our pilots have the require doctrine ships via alliance contracts in deployment areas.
Lydia Herodotus
Imperial Transcontinental Logistics
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2016-06-21 20:35:23 UTC
I am interested in contributing.

I manage a freighter service corporation within Goonswarm Federation with shipping service to multiple regions over the last several months hauling hundreds of millions of m3 in cargo. We are eager to have contracts with citadels to replace current substandard workarounds, and have some ideas on how to achieve some of the concerns addressed in this thread such as destruction of citadel of contracts Outstanding and In Progress.
Ael Hawkeye
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#28 - 2016-06-21 23:05:04 UTC
Throwing my hat in the ring as well for low class wormholers.

I handle a significant chunk of the logistics for my low-class wormhole alliance - for a long time, I was the only one doing it. I've done courier contracts as well as getting boxes for people to put outbound loot in. It's not uncommon for me to make several trips a week out to get stuff for myself and constantly ask who needs what brought in. The only aspects of logistical work I haven't done relate to jump freighting: while I have one, we've had no real need to bring it out yet

Moreover, I was the one who basically moved almost everyone's stuff, solo, when we moved from our old home to our new one or at the very least, got everything moved to our highsec rally point.
Sadus
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2016-06-21 23:41:09 UTC
Hello Fozzie

I'd like to put myself forward for this . I do a significant amount of leg work for the Imperium at the moment and I have fairly intimate knowledge of the logistical issues and opportunities at both stations and citadels. Most importantly, I'd be willing to have objective discussions on the subject in the hopes of improving the gameplay.

Thanks

Sadus
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#30 - 2016-06-22 00:44:12 UTC
Ok we'll start with the following folks:

Kenneth Feld
Alyla By
Cassie Helio
Querns
Dune Barphsaq
Lyn Fel
Nasantha
Elizabeth Norn
Cpt Patrick Archer
ExookiZ

If the people above can send eve-mails to me and let me know what email address you'd like me to use for the slack invites I'll start pulling you in.

Everyone can observe all the discussion logs at https://focusgrouplogs.tech.ccp.is/

Game Designer | Team Five-0

Twitter: @CCP_Fozzie
Twitch chat: ccp_fozzie

Rita's Jita Slave
Rita's Cartel
#31 - 2016-06-22 17:18:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Rita's Jita Slave
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Rita Jita
Caldari Provisions
#32 - 2016-06-22 17:19:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Rita Jita
sounds like something i could help with.

founder of the "haulers channel" currently the largest hauling community in eve, deal with a massive volume of contracts daily, both personal and the PR for other peoples contract issues.

Founder of the "Haulers Channel"

Come Check It Out

Which Frog
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#33 - 2016-06-22 17:41:47 UTC
If my opinion matters and I hope it does at least in this Focus Group I would add Rita Jita even though the members have already been selected. The massive experience with public contracts is a definite bonus to the discussion.
EDX 34F
Heavy Metals Inc
#34 - 2016-06-23 00:23:25 UTC  |  Edited by: EDX 34F
I am a frequent client of high-sec haulers and a member of the Haulers Channel.

-Edit- I also highly recommend Rita just as the person above me did. Rita's channel has helped countless haulers connect with contractors. It is a very active channel with hundreds of people at any given time.
Annette Nolen
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2016-06-23 01:00:30 UTC
Just read the first day of slack logs and wanted to point out my suggestion thread as being highly relevant and not something people have quite duplicated in their own commentary yet:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6458153

OK I'll totally stop creeping on you guys now.

Maybe.
Annette Nolen
Perkone
Caldari State
#36 - 2016-06-27 15:50:01 UTC
Quote:
12:45 ccp_fozzie One option we’re investigating would be to allow pilots in space in the same solar system as a citadel to manually place courier wrappers into the asset safety system for their rightful owner (using the right click menu). This would then take 5 days to deliver to the citadel (but wouldn’t cost any isk). If the courier contract has at least 5 days left in its duration the contract would then be completed successfully. The 5 day delay is less than ideal, but it would ideally only used as a fallback for situations where the courier pilot has lost access to the citadel between accepting and arriving.


Can you guys clarify what "rightful owner" means in this context? Does this mean it goes into the asset safety of the pilot who accepted the contract, regardless of who is in space doing this? Or does it go into the asset safety of the person in space clicking this button? Or into the asset safety of the pilot who issued the contract?
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#37 - 2016-07-03 07:10:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Quote:
12:45 ccp_fozzie One option we’re investigating would be to allow pilots in space in the same solar system as a citadel to manually place courier wrappers into the asset safety system for their rightful owner (using the right click menu). This would then take 5 days to deliver to the citadel (but wouldn’t cost any isk). If the courier contract has at least 5 days left in its duration the contract would then be completed successfully. The 5 day delay is less than ideal, but it would ideally only used as a fallback for situations where the courier pilot has lost access to the citadel between accepting and arriving.

Which courier contract has 5 days of completion time? Shocked Show me some data on that because I daresay with confidence that the number of contract with more than 1 day completion time is less than 2%. You should think of something better than resorting to a "less than ideal" makeshift solution that you shoehorn into the game. Furthermore, if you had to resort to this shoehorn: How do you prevent the contract creator from cancelling the contract if the 1 day completion time has run out, but the contract is still in the safety delivery service for 5 more days?

Also, I kindly remember the people in this focus group, who seem to be awfully focused on these access issues, on this thread: Feedback request on Contract system. There are tons more issues to fix, improve and consider than just this mess that the inadequate access rights are.

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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#38 - 2016-07-04 02:46:06 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Also, I kindly remember the people in this focus group, who seem to be awfully focused on these access issues, on this thread: Feedback request on Contract system. There are tons more issues to fix, improve and consider than just this mess that the inadequate access rights are.

This.

I'd love to participate and I know I have insight to offer, but I'd prefer to do it on the forum. I find the slack transcripts more or less impossible to digest for various reasons.

I'm also concerned that the focus group that has been formed may be a little too specialised. We may find that the result is a lot of progress in narrow areas of contract functionality.

I know this is specifically a group dealing with Citadels, but I'm sure many contracts users would like to see some of the bugs and features get fixed for the benefit of all contracts users no matter which structure they choose to base from.
Annette Nolen
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2016-07-08 21:11:34 UTC
Quote:
:ccp_mimic: :slightly_smiling_face: I know, but was wondering if there was a way to change this behavior of constantly double-wrapping and all that goes along with it. If there was an underlying issue there that could be solved a different way, or if leaving that in place was the way it should be. It just always seemed like such a complete waste of time, and always caused issues when trying to solve Lost Items cases
:ccp_mimic: "having" to do a thing is never best. Its just a grind. Can it be better? Can it be easier? Can it be more intuitive?
...
:querns: the double wrap thing is because of wardecs


If CCP wants to make our ability to dodge wardecs this way more intrinsic and less grindy, I'd happily use a system that let me "accept contract to delegated hauler" option, that accepted the contract under my name but placed the package into the hauler's inventory. Likewise assuming it also allowed the hauler to then "complete the contract on acceptor's behalf" at the destination. In order to avoid all of the courier package item exchange/trade/double-wrapping that goes on now.

I'd even be fine with this exposing the out-of-corp hauler identity to the contract creator, personally, if that were the trade-off necessary to get rid of having to trade couriers packages all the time :)
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#40 - 2016-07-12 09:19:38 UTC
Out of curiosity: When it comes to docking rights removal after someone accepted a courier contract, why simply not allow the citadel owner to remove the contract taker from a docking/service access list or not allow the taker to be set on a docking/service denial list?

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