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The Deathless: post-humans, infomorph integrity, digitized mindstates

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1 - 2016-06-22 06:52:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Pilots;

A recent news report indicates the hiring of clone soldier mercenary groups by 'the Deathless,' an entity of unknown nature and capability, after the acquisition of FIO dossiers on Serpentis military assets. Some of these mercenary groups were subsequently involved in a raid on a Serpentis military installation. The Upwell Consortium has been revealed to have acquired Serpentis blueprints and components, and has been called upon by Raish to hand over materials.

With that framing, let's begin.

In the first place, the simplest and most likely explanation remains that CONCORD uses the term 'entity' because it is not known if the Deathless is a cabal of Capsuleers or baseliners, or a single particularly competent independent actor, and so lacking knowledge uses the term 'entity.' Alternatively, it's entirely possible that some detail has been lost in Scope's writing, and that the implication so far is off the mark, and that this is simply a new minor actor on the stage, much like the Schism.

However, what if this isn't the case?

It's known that the Deathless has some tie with the Upwell Consortium, though whether as contractor, consortium member, benefactor, or leadership is unknown.

What's more, 'The Deathless' is a suggestive term, and it may be that 'entity' is used specifically because the nature of the party is outside normal assessment.

But who could the Deathless be? Or what?

If (and this is a very large if!) the entity is indeed not a regular, run-of-the-mill baseliner or capsuleer, what else could it possibly be?

We now know, for instance, that first-generation clone soldiers used implants extracted from Jove cadavers, and were unstable and perhaps subject to psychological issues, given the severity of the purge that followed. What's more, we know that Mordu's Legion has ties with some of these groups, specifically including Intara Direct Action.

Could the Deathless merely be some individual or collective of clone soldiers, who have become so wealthy that they are able to initiate contracts themselves? Empowered actors may start identifying themselves as beyond mortality. After all, enough clonings would surely strip anyone of a belief of their own mortality.

Is it possible that the data stored in a Sleeper implant set could be sufficient to carry a complete infomorph, duplicating even those details that we would normally leave to mere biology? If so, could a clone soldier perhaps have a hybridized consciousness, or one completely dominated by a long-dead Sleeper infomorph? It's far-fetched in the extreme, but to be honest the capabilities of the Sleeper implants are subject of much study. Their full capabilities remain unknown. Certainly, at the very least, schizophrenia resulting from infomorph contamination could result in megalomaniacal ideation.

Alternatively, what if the entity in question is a strong AI? Or perhaps simulated consciousness? As we know from the ruins, the Sleeper civilization was an upload society, and this technology isn't unknown even to us. What if someone or someones are in fact digitized? Removed from the confines of biology, an adequately rigorous simulation may be sufficient to sustain a consciousness for extended period, or perhaps even to allow it to persist beyond biological limits. We know this requires considerable computational ability, given that Kirkinen's withdrawal from the CEO role following his digitization, but we also know that this computational ability exists. Could the Deathless be post-biological, post-human?

I'm sure there are many more options, but let's consider this a base for converstion.

What even is going on here?

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Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2016-06-22 07:47:22 UTC
I say at this point details are too sparse to come up with a satisfactory explanation or hypothesis.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#3 - 2016-06-22 07:51:21 UTC
Quite fair. Ultimately, I'd have to agree. It's just clear that something unusual's been going on of late.

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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#4 - 2016-06-22 13:22:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaret Victorian
You know, I was infuriated when I saw the news of CONCORD putting an ultimatum before Upwell, demanding the "spoils"... Then I saw that it was specifically Raish who put these demands.

Why?

Matshi Raish, of all the bureaucrats there I'd thought he would know that mutual cooperation is a better way than ordering people around!

I do understand that we are most likely talking about the blueprints of these rumored Serpentis spaceships and I do find it more threatening to the cluster than a slice of a brainmatter and at the same time I do appreciate that the first thing SOCT did was giving us non-violent weapons in the form of the Gravitational Transportation Field Oscillator, but...

It doesn't make sense so far. So far, it's history repeating itself. And having been on the receiving end of this kind of story, I am skeptical. Something is not right.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#5 - 2016-06-22 13:48:35 UTC
IMO: Insufficient data at this point to form a conclusion. But worth following.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2016-06-22 15:08:46 UTC
Ms. Priano,

I'm glad to see that we have some similar concerns.

Again and again, what we're not being told far outweighs what we are being told. We've seen this before with Sansha's Nation, with the Drifters and now with the Serpentis affair. Upwell, their members, mercenaries and the connections within the DED and CONCORD have a very "Father-Knows-Best" attitude right about now. History shows that they do not.

In the past, you've been very happy to work with and provide intel to CONCORD. You have also been very open to sharing your findings openly within the Capsuleer community. These actions have been beneficial.

I would caution you however. You seem to be rapidly approaching a point of singularity, similar to one we witnessed with The Scope. Eventually, you're going to uncover something that people like Upwell or CONCORD are not going to want publicly known, and your ethics are going to demand otherwise.

At that point, you're going to have to make a choice. Acquiesce to their demands, but reap the rewards of membership within those organizations. Or give them the finger and do what's right...at the risk of a visit from the Deathless, Mordu's Legion, or any of a number of groups that serve them.

While we don't always agree, I have the utmost respect for you and the other ARC members. But take it from me, you are in far more danger than you realize. Serpentis Prime VII was as much as warning as it was a raid. Especially when you take into account what's not being said.

Fly safe.



"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#7 - 2016-06-22 15:41:17 UTC
Mr. Mokk, approaching? I feel we sailed past that point long ago.

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Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2016-06-22 16:27:40 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Mr. Mokk, approaching? I feel we sailed past that point long ago.



I do remember.

And you eventually turned Dr. Tukoss' remains over. So tell me, was the cause of death "TEBS Failure" as was reported?

What would have happened to you had you not turned over the corpse? What do you suppose might happen when you do have to make a stand?

Let's pray you can avoid that decision.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#9 - 2016-06-22 17:03:31 UTC
Mind-controlling implants ? An AI employing mercenaries ?

Well. Those possibilities are, in my experience, not entirely impossible. Unlikely, but not impossible.

Still, when it is Arataka Research Consortium, rather than Gutter Press that are mentioning these possibilities, then, well, that's somewhat concerning.

Do keep us updated, Dr. Priano.

In the meantime, I suggest people should refresh their spaceship piloting skills. It might become necessary.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2016-06-22 19:04:43 UTC
I think that it may be the new third-gen combat clones that I heard about and saw footage of personally I was a second-gen and plan on getting these third-gen implants when they are available
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#11 - 2016-06-23 00:10:14 UTC
It's worth noting, Ms. Valate, that I'm posting this not as an ARC coordinator, but instead as a private capsuleer speculating and wondering at strange reports.

As many have noted, there simply isn't much information available at present, and so this isn't a suitable subject for a thorough ARC release.

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