EVE General Discussion

That's perfectly fine Maxa, and not an uncommon sentiment in EVE. The killer gotcha is the exact same one as real life... it's up to you to make more sand

All the schemes and methods of trying to take other peoples sand don't usually work unless you're in the government, which all it does is take sand and do stuff with it that really only benefits the people that it wants to benefit.

So, the best way to make this happen is to figure out how to make your own sand and figure out what corner of the sandbox you want to play with it in. The amount of sand in the box really isn't limited, and yes, the boundaries of the box keep shifting. Due to that most players wise up really quickly that the best thing to do is to minimize the shifting of the sand in the box by minimizing the boundary movements.

Thus, ideas like yours will always meet resistance, sometimes strongly, because it shifts boundaries and players are becoming more and more reactionary to boundary movements.

You're as entitled to an opinion as I am. My opinion is that your idea has no value, in short I don't like it and I don't think it would offer any benefits or game play that isn't already possible.

You're not alone? Where are the multitudes of Eve players supporting your idea then?

The future discussion useless with you

Or you do one thing and do it well. And continue to do that one thing and continue to do it well.

And, yes, I do run my own business.

That's literally what I said. The idea in this thread isn't "continuing to do something well". It's diluting the main profit stream in a half-assed grab for cash. Don't take a boutique shop and turn it into a department store in the hopes of making money.

This idea is trying to turn a boutique family investment advisory firm into eTrade, which is nothing short of a terrible idea (and worse business plan)

Well then, it is so fun then you think eve so unique that is similar to the boutique.
I glad confirm what there is a few things what you can find only in EVE.
So what does someone opens a any store, for profit of course.
Boutique operation principle, It involves the sale of a fairly narrow range of goods
The range of boutique can not compete with the supermarket.
And where will be more people? Different people looking different things.
You do not go to the boutique to buy some bread.

If you came here looking for validation, you are in the wrong place. You seem to want to dismiss anything that is not validation of what you believe.

But more importantly, you seem to want the game to work in a way fundamentally different to how it works today.

Frankly, that suggests you fail to appreciate the nature of the game, that nature being the main reason most people are playing it instead of some other game.

Instanced PVP, consensual PVP - these concepts don't actually exist in this game. They exist in other games.

If you think arena tournaments with prizes are the way to go, you can absolutely set such a thing up in EVE and run it. By all means, do so. Such things have been done and are still done from time to time. But don't be surprised if it doesn't exactly work out the way you think it ought to.

Because... that's the selling point of this game? That you need to work hard or work smart to achieve your goals? That all your actions have consequences? That you shouldn't fly what you can't afford to lose because all of it might be taken away from you in a matter of seconds? You name it.

There are two reasons why it's a bad idea to bet on the general gaming public (i.e. "the lazies") here. First, the aforementioned sandbox elements. It's those principles that allowed EVE to stay afloat fo 13 years and keep going strong DESPITE the fact that EVE is rather bad in a multitude of other aspects: the clunky controls and UI, a number of half-arsed features, numerous design screwups, etc. Yet, the sandbox experience are still unmatched by any other game. If you remove the sandbox from EVE by adding quick fights without consequences, you'll get a very mediocre space shooter.

Second, the fact that the lazies are - surprise! - lazy. They're unlikely to dedicate much time and effort into perfecting their playstyles and stay loyal to one game. Yes, they'll inject some cash at the starting level to level up their Ravens, but, once they've explored the game to some extent, they'll get bored and leave. I keep in touch with a guild I played with in a different game, and they're just like that. Statistically, they don't stay in one MMO game for more than 4-5 months.

It's understandable: today's companies find themselves in a fierce competition with each other over the customer, so his attention span tends to be pretty short. And I can see your logic: MOBA and FPS games with instanced arena-type matches traditionally sport the largest demographic within the gaming community, so it can me tempting to try and tap into this pool of potential customers. The only problem here has already been mentioned above: CCP is better than its competitors in the sandbox department, but can't outmatch them in other aspects. If you ruin the open world with its economy, EVE as we know it will be gone, and there are no guarantees that it would get better.

Your opponent? Did you really say that? Your "opponent"??? I now am led to ask, do you have any experience with polite conversation? Do you view people offering their opinions as "opponents"?

I stand by what I said in the response you grabbed that quote from. In that I wasn't talking to you. I was talking around you. At that point, I had no interest in your view, and no curiosity about any of your responses. You ably demonstrated your mindset well before then. I was addressing the other members of the forum who might mistakenly take you seriously.

signed...Your Opponent.

What's great about ideas like these are the prospects that the ones dreaming up the ideas will also come forth with the funding to implement such great ideas! We're so glad to see you volunteer! I estimate this one idea alone can be implemented for no less than $10 million USD. We're so proud of you and your generosity.

Let us know when you've made final arrangements with CCP so we can then anticipate the release of your
brilliant suggestion!