Science & Industry

in my observation.. CCP hates it when one particular ship dominates in an area for too long...
almost everyone is useing SKIFFS that i see.. everywere i go..i see skiffs. and a smattering of makinaws (or the T1 versions of those ships)... almost no hulks

simple question, what do you do to bring it more evenly ballanced

its all in the Tank for me.... i dont care if the hulk could mine 10x more then the skiff, i dont care if the makinaw could hold 10x more then the skiff... its all about tank tank tank and more tank... for me that is

i wont even consider a mak or hulk unless its got a lot more tank

All the Skiffs in hi-sec is a result of the miner ganking that's been in vogue the past few years. My thoughts are as follows for buffs/nerfs:

Hulks: A little more tank and a reduction in the ORE mined bonus
Macks: Bigger hold, less tank.
Skiffs: Smaller hold. Like 25 % reduction.

Just my 1/50th of a dollar.

I await people telling me I'm wrong and/or an idiot.

I'll have to agree here.
A lot of the HS mining is done AFK - reduce the hold on the skiff and people will be forced to pay more attention.

From recent efforts at mining ore in nullsec (Providence):

• The Hulk is in a good spot as king of yield, but at the risk of having to leave a can behind when reds show up. The ore hold could use a little increase so it reliably holds two cycles with implants and/or mining drones.
• Mackinaw is good when there is more red traffic in the neighborhood. Yield is the same as a skiff and no need to mine into cans.
• Although I see many people mining in Skiffs, for me it doesn't work. In theory a couple of skiffs could deal very well with a lone confessor or interceptor. In practice there are more hotdroppers in cloaky nullified T3s than solo small ships, making the Mackinaw the logical choice. The Skiff rules for Mercoxit mining as it fits 3 mining upgrades plus the Mercoxit rig.

Thanks to processor rigs it is possible to fly a max yield, decent tank fit on a Hulk or Mack even with CPU Management IV.
In the ideal case there would be an option to have 3 flights of drones: mining drones, light drones for PvP and medium drones vs belt rats. The Skiff already has a 100 m3 dronebay while the Hulk and Mack have 50 m3. Perhaps increase the dronebay of the Mack to 75 m3 while keeping the Hulk at 50 m3 so max yield comes at a cost.

that does seem logical

has been a massive increase in the demand with not much increase in the supply
need to bleed off the excess stock piles of minerals befor we see those numbers affect the market

this is something that I've always wanted. Not because it fixes any issues that exist, it just feels much more satisfying to me to, like you said, just smoothly see the numbers go up.

THE BIGGER PICTURE

ok, was haveing a discussion with friend this morning and resulted in interesting line of thought reguarding the mining barges

As stated in a dev post some were (dont recall exact word for word) the big wars.. the one that resultedin B-R big massive fight... the "world war bee" thats been going on since january.. these types of things bring in the paying customers. the players... even players that have stopped playing come back

what promotes these wars... i do belive there was a comment that stated that after these wars.. things got quiet.. stagnated.. very quiet as forces sliped back into their corners to lick their wounds and rebuild forces...

these big wars are fought with ships, lots and lots of ships...
miners mine ore.. industrialists make ships... big wars are fought, ships blow up

how do we promote more of these conflicts and such.... get more ships into game

beef up miners... increase the supply.. make ships cheaper.. easier to make... get more ships into the field.. promote big wars.. bring in the players and more subscirptions..

along this line of thought however.. other things were discussed ..

now gotta get into the economics.. amount of cash in circulation... supply demand profit margins ect... that adds an entirely new set of mathamatical equations.

miners wont mine unless they are makeing a profit.. and wont make ships unless its profitable...

Alot more to look at for me it seems then just how much a ship can tank or how much M3 it mines per cycle or how much M3 it mines in an hour

The players who want to fight will find a way regardless of whether there is a war. A look at the production/destruction chart in CCP Quant's economic update https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/monthly-economic-report-may-2016/ shows that destruction is remarkably consistent - minor bumps at B-R5RB and WWB. The worrisome line on that chart is production - we are consistently producing 3 times as much as we are consuming and that will eventually lead to problems in the economy. CCP needs to bring this into balance - industry should be more difficult, not easier!

I think the skiff is in the right spot so...

Pessimistic me says skiff gets nerf to EHP, yield, and hold. Placing the ore hold around 8.5k so it's not good for solo mining. Mack will lose 1k ore hold for ice miners. Hulk will get a tank nerf and a yield buff, try to bait more people into glass cannon miners so ganking is easier.

Optimistic me says skiff stays as is, mack get boost to cpu and 1k more ore hold for ice miners, hulk will get more cpu and slightly more yield.

That probably explains the peak at the end, but it doesn't explain why it's consistently been about 3 times the amount since at least July 2013.