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I will not ask you to remove the nuts because I'm supposedly allergic to them. I'm not.

This food sucks. Period.

Again functionality is removed from the game for the N-th time without fully functioning alternatives being present. Yes, 3-th party programs, without any guarantee that they will function as should (or at all) on the wildly varied machines and OS's people play EvE on.
As opposed to the IGB. If you can use the client at all, you can use the IGB.

So for what it's worth, in my opinion, this food sucks. And that is a useful statement.

Evolve overlay browser doesnt work with EVE since 2014.

Lazy design decision! Ingame Browser added dept to the game in a sense that you had the feeling of running some kind of EVE-OS (one could get the immersion of entering a whole world by starting eve.exe), with this its just one step further of being just another game of the many games there are out there... By abandoning it you admit of being lazy and call it "focusing on other things" - what a weak excuse!

you know how to make eve great again? by updating the browser, putting jukebox back in etc etc, a metaphor for what you are doing; ripping essential modules of a ship so its just good for travelling - but not for fighting anymore.

sad

This is first time I ever commenting an update. Thats how much it's suck.

I actually just processed what this means. Are you high?? You think that quality is actually more important to people than usability?

Let me give you an experiment to go try. Go survey 100 people and ask them if they'd use a piece of software whose coding was perfect with no bugs whatsoever, but where the design was so bad that it was nigh unusable or if they'd rather use a piece of software that had a few bugs, but was easy and intuitive to use?

Go ahead. I'll wait. The answer will be that the unusable software might get a few hard core users that insist there's something golden in there somewhere but the overwhelmingly vast majority will take usable software. All day long. People are inherently lazy. There's a reason why phishing scams work and passwords are generally insecure. People want usability and ease of use.

I'm not at all sorry to rain on your parade, but usability trumps quality every single time, in every single metric that actually counts. I.e. People purchasing/using the particular item in question. The only circumstance in which your statement is true is an area where there simply isn't a choice, in which case you probably have neither.

The FORM of the solution is, however. "Always on top" is literally a right-click option for Gnome/GDK users already. (In fact, ANY form of customized window management is about a million times easier on a Linux platform in general, so the issue is completely moot there).

Approximately 15 seconds of searching for OS X always on top options yielded multiple possibilities. Check out afloat, for instance.

Hilariously, always on top -- and overlays, for that matter -- are not a perfect replacement solution to IGB removal for a lot of OTHER reasons, just not any of the ones you mentioned.

The point of my post was simply to highlight that there are simpler and better options for using a default browser than all the overlay chatter that is being tossed about. An overlay is complete overkill for what most people are actually looking to accomplish.

Mind you I've not (and won't) read the entirety of this thread, rather skipped over it via DEV posts and quickly glancing over a couple other player's posts. What I get from the DEVblog that is linked is a lot of "wohoo CREST-fanboi" speak with very little reasoning why removing the IGB without any replacement is actually necessary. Other than "oh yea we didn't quite work on it for a long time". While I don't use the IGB every day I'm still using it very frequently and forcing me to tab out of game is quite annoying. And no, copy/pasteing links into IGB isn't much less annoying. At least have the decency to keep things the way they used to be with an opt in to default to open links in one's OOGB. Pretty please anyone?
Ultimately to me the IGB is an element of immersion in the game and forcing me out of game while I wish to spend my time in the game is quite detrimental to my player eXperience and takes away from the "we create virtual worlds" (https://www.ccpgames.com/) slogan as well as "we don't believe in the word 'impossible'" (https://www.ccpgames.com/careers/) thingy.



This further cements my impression that after neglecting work on the IGB for perhaps YEARS somebody in the chain simply chose to hit the killswitch rather than admitting (or probably even just considering) that not diverting proper ressources could've been a mistake. And as such taking means to correct that, however long that may take. I'm perfectly aware CCP is probably among the smaller DEV studios, but maybe somebody could consider doing LESS many things at the same time and instead focusing on thoroughly doing fewer things at once? I remember how the ship tiericide to me felt like proceeding smoothly while being tremendously well received - now the module tiericide feels like it trickles away with a number of module types still waiting to be adressed since a while...



I'm quite interested in actual numbers to back up those metrics. As with the announcement about the removal about the old camera (5.5% my butt) I somehow feel as if inactive accounts or secondary or tertiary characters from registered accounts are taken into such metrics whom naturally did/do not use either.


You've said yourself that CCP in no way supports nor intends to incorporate any of them - despite being "years ahead" of the current IGB. On top of that CCP (naturally, I'll give you that) reserves the right to include any and all overlays into the list of bannable offenses, after pointing players towards them and creating but a new dependency.



And despite all that what was written and what I've read this really took the cake.


Sorry, but are you quite sane in your mind? Did you forget about any sense or policy on how to deal with the community? The people that are responsible for your monthly wage (and those of your colleagues)? You're representing the WHOLE company you work for (CCP, as is quite visible to everyone due to the tag to the left of your username) and replies like that (be they intended to be taken as sarcasm or not) simply are not to be posted from any official employee. First and foremost this is a matter of showing respect to your customers, aside from this statements like that one cast a certain light on things that are probably not in general favor to CCP.

This is all after telling us all that overlays were illegal..

is the left hand talking to the right..



As a Mac user this is hard... What do we use? Wormhole mapping wonder how that is going to work?

Uh, you mean the one where the security team specifically calls out browser overlays as ok?

https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/overlays-isk-buyer-amnesty-and-account-security/