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Dev Blog: Bidding Farewell to the In-game Browser

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l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#81 - 2016-06-20 18:23:22 UTC
Milla Goodpussy wrote:
they spend a fortune making VR trinkets.
yet still cant save the IGB...cause it requires work
im going to be very careful how i spend my money on ccp games from now on.


learn 2 cost benefit analyse, scrub lord

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Tweety Bird
Tackled In Belt
#82 - 2016-06-20 18:25:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tweety Bird
Attention
Brian Harrelstein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#83 - 2016-06-20 18:28:49 UTC
worst idea ever
Pavlakakos
W.A.S.P
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#84 - 2016-06-20 18:35:29 UTC
Total nerfing of gatecamp fleets..... Why join them when porn links and gifs can no more be appreciated?
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#85 - 2016-06-20 18:36:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Bienator II
will we still have a picture viewer for gifs? ;)

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Huang Mo
Tianxia Inc
#86 - 2016-06-20 18:36:24 UTC
How about you keep IGB until CREST can provide the same features ?

One thing is that ALT-TABBING in and out of the game hurts immersion, but it's quite another thing to remove features that people rely on - like the Contracts interface

Some handwaving that it will be dealt with "in the future" is not enough. We know how that plays out: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5127183#post5127183 two years ago and nothing happened
Caldranna
Let's annoy'em
#87 - 2016-06-20 18:41:53 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Of course they do. I want to see the map ingame, while I check other things and actually keep being able to check other things and do not have to alt-tab out of the game to check an external app. Like what kind of reasoning are you even using... Shocked


Is there a reason you're unwilling to use an Overlay?

The overlays that I just stated are inadequate? Is there a reason why CCP cannot manage to maintain an IGB while other game developers can?


An overlay is inadequate but the IGB was not? How in the world does that make sense? Pretty much every overlay out there with a browser is years ahead of the IGB.


I don't think it's about being years ahead but keeping the basic functionality of what the IGB is used for and that makes a total sense.
Caldranna
Let's annoy'em
#88 - 2016-06-20 18:48:23 UTC
Airi Cho wrote:
Caldranna wrote:

CCP, you wrote that "To be clear CCP does not officially endorse or support overlays and therefor does not guarantee that they work or don't cause unexpected problems with the EVE Online client." How are we supposed to use something that you do not really support?
Is it really that hard to keep the In Game Browser with its basic functionality that has been used for many years?


Just look at how often your normal browser vendors are updating the browser for security reasons. And they often change the browser in a way that to fix the integration into other applications, is not a small amount of work.

IGB: "AppleWebKit/532.0 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/3.0.195.27 Safari/532.0 EVE-IGB"
Chrome: "AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/51.0.2704.103 Safari/537.36"

so from the looks this is a really really old version of the engine.

for me ... instead of wasting resources on maintaining yet another browser on my system, i would rather see CREST improved, because that functionality is more useful for the community at large.


Well, for me earning money to pay subscription is a hard work too. I hope EVE will still be there when CREST functionality offers all the features IGB had without having to alt + tab.
Oliver Ward
Doomheim
#89 - 2016-06-20 18:49:09 UTC
With the IGB going away, is there any chance that you, CCP, would consider placing the music library up for download (after logging in and having a functional account, etc)? Steam has a pretty nice music library system that's accessed quite easily from the overlay, and it would be nice to put all the music in there for quick access. Basically, a replacement to the old Jukebox.

I know that most of the music is available on Soundcloud, but not all of it is, nor can all of it be downloaded (without using third-party browser add-ons, that is).

If there are concerns with bandwidth for all the downloading, you can always set it up as a torrent, which would help with the bandwidth, and might make it easier to add new music as it becomes available, as well.
Blacksmoke16
Resilience.
#90 - 2016-06-20 18:52:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Blacksmoke16
EDIT: Nvm i found it.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#91 - 2016-06-20 18:56:46 UTC
Huang Mo wrote:
How about you keep IGB until CREST can provide the same features ?

One thing is that ALT-TABBING in and out of the game hurts immersion, but it's quite another thing to remove features that people rely on - like the Contracts interface

Some handwaving that it will be dealt with "in the future" is not enough. We know how that plays out: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5127183#post5127183 two years ago and nothing happened



Funny you should say that:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=485359&find=unread

Woo! CSM XI!

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Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2016-06-20 18:59:55 UTC
Alexhandr Shkarov wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
o7 Good bye IGB.


One of my favourite tools from the IGB was that I could link fittings directly from our doctrine page.
Would there be a way that we can do something similar with CREST by giving them the option to download all fittings within the corporate/alliance doctrines.

Right now I can simply put them into an HTML page within the auth, but after this it'll be really frustrating to import fits as new member (or after an update).


You can use CREST to push fittings up to your account on Eve. I already do that from pyfa, so yes, it's possible to take a fitting from an outside app and push it to Eve without copying and pasting.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
MyLoudVoice
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2016-06-20 19:02:35 UTC
Sigh. Yet another bad decission. Sad

Does anyone there even remember why you put it in in the first place?
I doubt someone said 'hey. we have too many people. let's make something completely irrelevant'.

That in-game browser is an integral part of the Eve experience. Even if you reduce its functionality.
Once again something sacrificed by short sighted management that prefer to **** away money in things like Dust.
A browser is just not sexy enough I suppose.

Management should start to consider that Eve is not exactly growing at a big rate.
Making stuff less 'easy' and pissing off people is not really a growth strategy.

What is more enjoyable then mining while reading up on another part of Eve in a full screen setting?
Whatever new solution someone chooses, it will break the emergence and be less comfortable.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2016-06-20 19:07:45 UTC
Brian Harrelstein wrote:
worst idea ever


You obviously weren't around for Greed is Good.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2016-06-20 19:09:28 UTC
Pavlakakos wrote:
Total nerfing of gatecamp fleets..... Why join them when porn links and gifs can no more be appreciated?


Forget gate camping. What about mining fleets? Those poor bastards will be begging CODE to come by and alleviate the boredom.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
bucegi
Firman AB
#96 - 2016-06-20 19:13:10 UTC
Another one bites to dust, I don't trust you anymore dear dev's. After each change I log in to see what changed for the worse first then see the improvements.
To me it feels like CCP is going one step forward and two steps backwards. I honestly think EvE would be better in other hands.
The good/sad thing is that EvE it's like an addiction to me and many others and that's what keeps ccp going no matter how many wrong decisions they make.
But for how long?
Blacksmoke16
Resilience.
#97 - 2016-06-20 19:16:24 UTC
@CCP FoxFour

How would one use the 'open specific contract' or 'Opening the market details for a specific item type' endpoint?
Cleanse Sin'led
Lonesome Capsuleer
#98 - 2016-06-20 19:18:44 UTC
Airi Cho wrote:
Cleanse Sin'led wrote:
This is wierd, i've always been with CCP for any "revolutionary" changes they made over the last almost 2 years against all of the bittervet whining about their lost confort, but there.... this is a whole community part that will completly go away with this, not only those who can't afford technically or financially 2 screens (or more) but the whole thing players had together linking gif and all ...

So sad.


1. this was announced years ago that the IGB will die. but of course people wait until the last moment to look for alternatives

2. thank god the gif spam might get reduced by that.
Caldranna
Let's annoy'em
#99 - 2016-06-20 19:20:18 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
Brian Harrelstein wrote:
worst idea ever


You obviously weren't around for Greed is Good.


Well, SKINS and aparel are there anyway. It would be great if they were reasonably accessible, but they only perform a visual function which is not as such a big deal, however, the in-game browser serves a great variety of practical functions.
Angry Arnst
W.O.R.M-S.W.A.R.M
#100 - 2016-06-20 19:20:28 UTC
I Don't know who calling shots at ole CCP but Your not making game better. You have taken a lot of core basics of game and throw out window. Example skill injectors wtf can I get my cpl years of money back so can buy into what want? it was a real time strategy I mean I don't like long trains either but people do them now in 2 days can be cap pilot fooking ridiculous. I also liked old Camera view, why did not make option to use like did new map etc. is beyond me. What you deem as upgrades are not seen bye all players it be nice have options. I for one have a lot skills trained long time in and now half are obsolete cause you think it betters game. So how do we get back money time spent for nothing now??? next towers gonna be gone I would hope you keep them as cheaper option or there goes a lot time spent on skills and researching fuel block bpo's and such also down the drain. Put a Damper on it if want change something every week make another game keep original eve way was minus the glitches and extorted game mechanics. now browser gone too. I predict Eve be gone under 4 years now way ruin it keep up Good work Killing game and loosing older players cause of it