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Dev Blog: Bidding Farewell to the In-game Browser

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#61 - 2016-06-20 17:54:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Can someone tell me how to add EVE properly to Steam so that I can test that overlay? Using "Add a Non-Steam Game" with the exe file from "...\EVE\tq\eve.exe" apparently does not do the trick. I cannot load the overlay with the set up hotkey.



If you add the (new, not the one that's going away) eve launcher as the non-steam game, the overlay will work just fine with the launched clients.



Yes, there's still UI blocking.

Woo! CSM XI!

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HyperFlareX
Perkone
Caldari State
#62 - 2016-06-20 17:55:40 UTC
Blade Darth
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#63 - 2016-06-20 17:57:02 UTC
Can we get some kind of in-game embeded window that would allow us to use our own default browser? Just isolate the window so no javascript leaks out...

Yes, the CCPBrowser is bad, but I use it all the time- checking market, posting d-scan, killboard, memes, and just for general browsing while warping at 1 au/s.
Keeping 1 eye on local or d-scan and browsing stuff, can't really do it with alt-tabbing.
Airi Cho
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#64 - 2016-06-20 17:58:09 UTC
Blade Darth wrote:
Can we get some kind of in-game embeded window that would allow us to use our own default browser? Just isolate the window so no javascript leaks out...

Yes, the CCPBrowser is bad, but I use it all the time- checking market, posting d-scan, killboard, memes, and just for general browsing while warping at 1 au/s.
Keeping 1 eye on local or d-scan and browsing stuff, can't really do it with alt-tabbing.


2nd monitor works wonders in that regard. then even netflix works!
Dex Cordell
EVE University
Ivy League
#65 - 2016-06-20 17:59:24 UTC
Airi Cho wrote:
Blade Darth wrote:
Can we get some kind of in-game embeded window that would allow us to use our own default browser? Just isolate the window so no javascript leaks out...

Yes, the CCPBrowser is bad, but I use it all the time- checking market, posting d-scan, killboard, memes, and just for general browsing while warping at 1 au/s.
Keeping 1 eye on local or d-scan and browsing stuff, can't really do it with alt-tabbing.


2nd monitor works wonders in that regard. then even netflix works!


right, I'm going to buy a second screen for only one thing I'd ever use it for. Not that there's already enough clutter on my desk as is.
Caldranna
Let's annoy'em
#66 - 2016-06-20 18:00:20 UTC
Firstly, you are removing a tool CCP that offers the following functionality without the necessity to "alt + tab":
- access to DOTLAN maps,
- access to Providence KOS checker,
- access to Fleet Composition sharing sites,
- access to Killboards for more intel,
- access to Market Price checkers,

and I guess many more developed by the community which you CCP do not offer.

Secondly, you have already removed the clone grades. No fight gives the same adrenaline rush as before.

Thirdly, no jukebox. I have not really listened to EVE music since you removed the option which tracks I can listen to which took a nice feature out of eve. And no, I do not want to bother with out of game players for that.

Moreover, you wanted to be paid at a premium for SKINS and some apparel. Non of which a typical pvper really needs, but it is one of the things that contributes to killing what a great thing EVE was. Everything included in the subscription.

And now the camera gets stuck, EVE crashes like crazy, and you keep adding new content without taking care of previous bugs. I think you have been down that way before, have you not CCP?

Then in your Dev blog you wrote: "We are a games company and our focus is on making EVE as great a game as we can. Integrating a browser into the EVE client takes a fair amount of work to do and more importantly requires a certain level of upkeep."
EVE is not a game if you remember. EVE was supposed to be a toy.
By making a game out of EVE I hope you do get your player base extended, but I do not want to be part of it anymore.

I recently cancelled my subscriptions out of sort of boredom that I did not want to attribute to you directly CCP. Now you give me a reason to keep it that way.
I wish you all the best CCP while secretly hoping you will focus on your player base instead of making the decissions of what is good for us players.

o7
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#67 - 2016-06-20 18:00:36 UTC
Tyrindel Vaedrelin wrote:
not safely while moving threw wormhole connections it will block sight from in game. a out of game map will get people killed needlessly


thats why every wh corps have moved away from apps like siggy to open source self hosted like pathfinder


You can make it smaller, like the ingame browser, and then say it's should be on top.

Youtube Channel about Micro and Small scale PvP with commentary: Fleet Commentary by l0rd carlos

Airi Cho
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#68 - 2016-06-20 18:00:59 UTC
Dex Cordell wrote:
right, I'm going to buy a second screen for only one thing I'd ever use it for. Not that there's already enough clutter on my desk as is.


Trust me ... you will very quickly find more use cases for that. reading documentation on one screen while working on the other comes to mind. watching netflix and chatting on the other. so many things. you have no idea how quickly you get used to that.
Dominous Nolen
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#69 - 2016-06-20 18:07:11 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Dominous Nolen wrote:
RIP IGB.. Honestly this has been expected for a long time, sad to see it happening though because it is useful in alot of ways (especially in wormhole space for mapping)



There is a new CREST resource for tracking a characters location which means that can be done from outside the client and no need for the IGB, :D


Thank Bob for multiple displays.

@dominousnolen

"Fly dangerously, Fly safe, Fly whatever, just keep Flying." - Lee Blackwood

GoodGreyer Ayderan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2016-06-20 18:08:36 UTC  |  Edited by: GoodGreyer Ayderan
Well this royally sucks.

I quite litterally using the IGB every day I play EVE. Dozens of times each play session. (I'm using it right now!)

As for Overwolf, all I know is that in the past (recent past) I've had to close Overwolf entirely, even without using Overwolf in Eve, because having it running in the background would make Eve graphics get all glitchy and especially mess with anti-aliasing for some reason.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#71 - 2016-06-20 18:10:31 UTC
So...

The Steam Overlay blocks you from playing the game. Which is great.
The Overwolf browser does not have a bookmarks functionality. Which is great.
XFire apparently is a wild hit and miss whether it works.

Any other suggestions?

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#72 - 2016-06-20 18:11:00 UTC
GoodGreyer Ayderan wrote:

Well this royally sucks.

I quite litterally using the IGB every day I play EVE. Dozens of times each play session.

As for Overwolf, all I know is that in the past (recent past) I've had to close Overwolf entirely, even without using Overwolf in Eve, because having it running in the background would make Eve graphics get all glitchy and especially mess with anti-aliasing for some reason.



Been using Overwolf myself for the past few months without an issue. Care to give it a try? I was also recently told about Evolve (https://www.evolvehq.com/welcome), so maybe give them a try?

@CCP_FoxFour // Technical Designer // Team Tech Co

Third-party developer? Check out the official developers site for dev blogs, resources, and more.

CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#73 - 2016-06-20 18:11:25 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
So...

The Steam Overlay blocks you from playing the game. Which is great.
The Overwolf browser does not have a bookmarks functionality. Which is great.
XFire apparently is a wild hit and miss whether it works.

Any other suggestions?


Just heard about Evolve today: https://www.evolvehq.com/welcome

Have not tried it myself though.

@CCP_FoxFour // Technical Designer // Team Tech Co

Third-party developer? Check out the official developers site for dev blogs, resources, and more.

Airi Cho
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#74 - 2016-06-20 18:11:29 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
So...

The Steam Overlay blocks you from playing the game. Which is great.
The Overwolf browser does not have a bookmarks functionality. Which is great.
XFire apparently is a wild hit and miss whether it works.

Any other suggestions?


2nd monitor ;)
Cleanse Sin'led
Lonesome Capsuleer
#75 - 2016-06-20 18:11:38 UTC
This is wierd, i've always been with CCP for any "revolutionary" changes they made over the last almost 2 years against all of the bittervet whining about their lost confort, but there.... this is a whole community part that will completly go away with this, not only those who can't afford technically or financially 2 screens (or more) but the whole thing players had together linking gif and all ...

So sad.
gumbo innit
Nerd Panic
Goonswarm Federation
#76 - 2016-06-20 18:14:22 UTC
The IGB was one of the standout features for me when I started playing this game, as surprising as that might be. That there was a browser you could use to build websites that properly interacted with the game was amazing to me. There is a whole world of player interaction that will be going away when this is removed.

Sure it was an old and crappy version of chrome and it did not support crazy new web features and debugging the JS was a massive PITA, but it was one of few in-game tools I used regularly. I can't say the same thing about the notepad or the calculator tool. There are out of game tools that do those better, so why are they still in the game?

I understand development priorities don't afford progression of the IGB, but I also can't help but feel that we are losing something great about this game with it gone. I hope Crest will eventually catch up in terms of lost functionality. Things like active ship details, opening in-game windows with pre-filled data/options, etc.

I am lucky enough to have a crazy computer, but I know plenty of people who play this game on a laptop in fullscreen, and they are about to have a lot less funny links to click in local, and have a much harder time managing market orders, contracts, SRP payments, etc.
Airi Cho
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#77 - 2016-06-20 18:16:16 UTC
Cleanse Sin'led wrote:
This is wierd, i've always been with CCP for any "revolutionary" changes they made over the last almost 2 years against all of the bittervet whining about their lost confort, but there.... this is a whole community part that will completly go away with this, not only those who can't afford technically or financially 2 screens (or more) but the whole thing players had together linking gif and all ...

So sad.


1. this was announced years ago that the IGB will die. but of course people wait until the last moment to look for alternatives

2. thank god the gif spam might get reduced by that.
Nicholas Vierra
Halasenzar Corporation
United Federation of Conifers
#78 - 2016-06-20 18:20:20 UTC
Many Ingame browsers in general are not secured properly, or are simply thrown into a game as a convenience. The EVE Browser was not much better, and lacked support for a great deal of web content. The time wasted on the IGB is better put towards Crest and API.

Now, it would be cool to see an ingame window that displayed your default browser, or at least the OS Browser (MS Edge, Internet explorer, or Safari) however that may not be possible. It may lead to the same issues as CCP was dealing with before.

Crest is an evolving tool that will likely retain much of the functionality of the ingame browser, in addition to new features created by CCP and your corporate Developers. If there is a capability you would like to see, post it in one of the Features and Ideas threads on EVE Forums or your corporate forums.

As far as viewing out of game, I will note that likely over half of you own some sort of Tablet, iPad, Smartphone, Superphone, or iPhone that you probably have at or near your desk right now... Most of the tools are tied into your API, the second device may be able to address your concerns with Overlays and ALT Tabbing depending on what you need to use and how Crest and API's evolve over the next months!

Come and join us in Deninard!

Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#79 - 2016-06-20 18:20:37 UTC
they spend a fortune making VR trinkets.
yet still cant save the IGB...cause it requires work
im going to be very careful how i spend my money on ccp games from now on.
Zar Myx
New Eden Browncoats
#80 - 2016-06-20 18:21:57 UTC
I will miss the IGB.

I was surprised there is much maintenance at all. Figured 99% of the code would have been managed by a company supplying browser plugin/control module of some sorts.

But I do agree, you should be focusing on the core of Eve and if the IGB was causing undue maintenance time, I guess it is time to move on.