EVE General Discussion

TLDR -:- Make a Trial Character, Screen shot your bio/info and then win an open world PvP engagement.

The Why - I keep hearing people say that skill points don't matter, and then in the same breath I see corps recruiting "Must have xx millions SP" , and yet people still say SP don't matter, that you can do PvP you can blow **** up. But I am seriously doubting that sentiment, sure you can start the game join a corp , join their fleet with zero skill points and a rookie ship and then join a fleet (first of all no you cant because most corps need as I said above XX Million sp) and then go PvP, you might be doing 1 damage per second but your fleet will fill in your massive gap in skill's and ship power.

So I don't really agree with that at all, first of all as I said above most corps need a few million skill points from players and thats me being generous, secondly as people all to often explain just getting into a good corp takes time api keys and interviews, and any corp thats easy to get into is one you actually do not want to be in, so I contest that skill points do matter.

Most if not all of the players coming to this game these days are doing so because they hear and read about these colossus epic battles in space, they watch one of the epic trailers, that one with the FC's from loads of fleets still blows me away each time I see it, in a nut shell they come to the game for the battles, and I personally feel like they leave the game shortly after because they very quickly realize that those epic fights be it 1v1 or fleet v fleet are actually week's or month's away.

So the challenge is simple, make a new character, zero skill points, no ships, no money either an alt on your main account or a trial account, and play for 15 days which would cover the trial period and your goal is to get into an open world fight and actually kill some one, if skill points really do not matter then this should be easy right ?

Challenge Rules

• Start with Zero Skillpoints or what ever the trial starts you with.
• Start with zero money in your wallet
• No arranging a fight with others for the purpose of winning the challenge
• on gaining a kill, screen shot your wallet, and your skill points and link the kill.

I wonder if your suggesting a way around the challenge because you know it's not easy and would be hard to do or if you actually think a rookie ship could kill something before concord blapped them.

So your expecting new players to suicide gank ? and your saying I'm taking stuff out of context..

https://youtu.be/de1hwoFYA_k
https://youtu.be/Je5UPKssuiE
https://youtu.be/qVcXuXV0DwA

to clarify, these are not mine.

If I was to create a new character I'd still have the advantage of not being a new player. I'd know what to train for in those fifteen days and which starting corp to choose. I'd know how to use the crimewatch system to my advantage, where to operate, and whom to bait.

A rookie ship with a drone could kill a venture in lowsec.
Close range weapons, point and one drone, noooo problem.

Buy 2 identical ships and fit exactly the same. The fit should be for a low SP newb. Train the newb only to the requires needed to use the mods and ship. Stick said newb in one ship. Stick my main in the other, Ill murder him.

Sp adds anywhere from 10% to over 50% to stats depending on fit. Factor in T2 and it can hit 200% or more difference. When i was a noob i use to die a lot. if i got a kill before i died i considered it a win. Now anything less than 5 before i pop is a really bad day and its usually closer to 10-15.

As a noob i would struggle with high sec rats and my ultra low sp alt still does. He cant even do refuge anoms in a frigate has to use a caracal. My main can do them in an ibis. SP plays a much bigger role in this game than people let on.

Exactly what the OP was talking about and I agree with it 100%.

Always hear people saying SP's don't matter. Just propaganda intended to bring in new killmails.

I'm a very experienced PvE player with very little experience in PvP content. A few years ago CCP had a 3 part Travel Tourist Exploration contest with multiple objectives to complete, each documented with screenshots. One of those objectives was to have your pod on fire.

I contacted a friend who was very experienced in PvP to help me complete that objective. He also offered to teach me some PvP moves as well. We decided to fit up Rookie ships exactly the same, made a safe spot in a quiet high sec system and started to Duel.

After a while it became apparent that my ship was doing more damage as well as receiving less damage. I was also able to orbit faster and further out yet still hit than my friend could. We discussed the issue and soon realized that my character was more highly trained in ship skills. Despite the lack of PvP experience, my skillpoints were definitely showing as a deciding factor in the engagement.

So yes, skillpoints definitely make a difference in this game.



DMC

Furthermore, the 17 day rifter was done back before the Vanguard patch so new players started with significantly less SP than they do today (~50,000 starting sp was raised to ~400,000). Nowadays new characters start with Thermodynamics already trained to 1. That alone used to be like 3-5 days of training if I recall correctly and is basically mandatory for pvp.

I feel like this thread did not go as OP had planned.

I will point you to https://zkillboard.com/kill/53346793/ and https://zkillboard.com/kill/54376288/

And this one was also stabbed a lot of venture kills in velators and an imparior

Oh and this one has to be embarassing

Any questions?