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Vni worthless for Plex's
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Noga Taranogas
Doomheim
#21 - 2016-05-07 01:44:00 UTC
I use a vni

200mm ac II, 2 DLA II
Sebo, 2 cap recharger II, 100mn MEAb
MARep II, 4 DDA II, ENAM II
2 Medium Cap Control II, Medium Cap Control I
747 DPS with wasp II; cap stable with ab and med rep

Finding similar problem with Haven/Sanctum rapidly switching agro and nuking one before I can get them back in to pull agro again. I think the trick is to through out t2 lights which are fast enough to get back without loss. get agro again and throw out the heavies without issue so far.

this crap about npc capitals spawning in havens and sanctums is a bit worrisome -they're nuking caps, cruisers, hacs, and even rapid transversal ceptors. Might need to run hubs. https://zkillboard.com/ship/37468/kills/

has anyone confirmed that npc caps only spawn in sanctums, havens, and belts? VNI can run those without issue for lower ticks.
Nomad Vherokic
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2016-05-08 13:27:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Nomad Vherokic
List for pain-free VNI ratting. Fit an auto-targeter, or ECM of some description.

1. Warp to site at 50 or 70km.

2. Turn on Afterburner.

3. find object or structure near centre of spawn - in a haven you can use the spiked asteroid, normal asteroid, or the chemical factory (depends which variation)

4. orbit object at 50km. Your actual orbit will be around 56-60km due to the AB.

5. turn on auto-targeter

6. wait until all rats are red or yellow flashy and release the hounds/drones.

It's HIGHLY unlikely your drones will get aggro, if they do just recall ASAP (you did fit a nav computer didn't you?), and then repeat step 6.

You may need to target rats that only yellow box you as your drones will generally not attack them regardless of aggression settings.

Orbiting a can/MTU or sentries is not going to work, you need to orbit something near the rat spawn.

...And if a dread spawns, turn off AB, align and GTFO.
Sabotaged
Veritas Vincit
#23 - 2016-06-18 13:48:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabotaged
Sir Erighan wrote:
You can make more than 2 mil in 2 hours using a hauler and civ guns. Seriously, you either have 0 SPs in drones or have no idea how to play. Watch some videos, learn how to deploy drones, and profit. A VNI can easily run 6/10 plexes and earn 30-50mil per hour in decent Angel space.


What the annoying thing is, isn't the isk, it's having to have a supply chain of faction drones and having to jump to a nearby station to refill without completing a single site. A lot of people in our alliance at the time was facing this issue in wicked creek. Tanking was never the problem, it was as soon as I dropped my drones almost always aggro would switch to them fairly quickly. One pops, I'd have to go back to the station to refill it because of lower dps. Never tried the ECM thing. I was kind of annoyed when I posted but I was looking for more information on the forums because info appears to be limited.
Mikael Nolen
The Northerners
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2016-06-19 13:04:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Mikael Nolen
Sabotaged wrote:

[Vexor Navy Issue, Vexor Navy Issue]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer I
Fourier Compact Tracking Enhancer

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Drone Navigation Computer I

Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I



Republic Fleet Berserker x5



Your problem is your fit. You have no resistances on it. Also, why are you using tracking enhancers on a ship with no guns?
Try this fit instead.

[Vexor Navy Issue, PvE]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

100MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Explosive Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II

Drone Link Augmentor I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Republic Fleet Berserker x5
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2016-06-20 00:46:12 UTC
above post made me laugh, Newbean giving out advice so cute :D

FYI an omnidirectional tracking enhancer helps your drones' tracking, not your guns XD, the other one is probably a mistake

And the problem the OP is having is that his drones are dying, not him.

And my opinion on this: less afking possible in EVE the better

Art of Explosions
Roenok Baalnorn
Baalnorn Heavy Industries
#26 - 2016-06-20 05:25:23 UTC
Sabotaged wrote:
Lost 3 4 million isk drones in a single Angel Hub because every time I put out a heavy drone, they immediately switch targets and blap the heavy. Made about 2 million in 2 hours. So far I find VNI to be completely worthless for plex's. I can last maybe 30 seconds in a Haven without losing complete shield. I warp in at 50 and orbit a can at 30. failure.

[Vexor Navy Issue, Vexor Navy Issue]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer I
Fourier Compact Tracking Enhancer

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Drone Navigation Computer I

Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I



Republic Fleet Berserker x5

edit: I give up. After 3 hours of just wasting my time I lost another heavy the moment I put it out. Going to play dota 2 instead and just run incursions if I need isk.



I do null plexes and anoms( mostly havens) with heavies. They tank half my aggro just fine. Im going to say your either not using them correctly or you have low drone skills. I use t2s but i rarely lose one and almost never need to recall them.

You have to keep the drones moving. If they are "idle", they will die quickly. If one starts to take shield damage recall it immediately and relaunch it.
Blade Darth
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#27 - 2016-06-21 14:02:26 UTC
Damn, the vexor market in PH space is booming. Oh, a dreadnought spawn, let's warp in 30 derpy fitted vexors XD

Bout VNI... drone aggro is a pain sometimes, took me a couple of (lost) flights of heavies before figuring out when to deploy them and when it's ok to focus, for example, a webbing frig. Corpmate says he's doing comething completly oposite and that's working for him, I tried his approach and the rats (whole spawn, including BS rats) was immidietly on drones, blapping them. So idk, it's special per account, depends on ship fit (hes shield 4 dda, I fly armor, 3x dda), client ping, how often you pray to the Loot Fairy or if you were on mittens side in world war bee.

Some1 here suggested auto targeter, what's the point of having one if drones are set on auto aggro anyway? (sadly) if the rats only yellow-box you still have to target manually.

Omen Navy Issue Tutorial
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#28 - 2016-06-21 14:37:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Blade Darth wrote:
Damn, the vexor market in PH space is booming. Oh, a dreadnought spawn, let's warp in 30 derpy fitted vexors XD

Bout VNI... drone aggro is a pain sometimes, took me a couple of (lost) flights of heavies before figuring out when to deploy them and when it's ok to focus, for example, a webbing frig. Corpmate says he's doing comething completly oposite and that's working for him, I tried his approach and the rats (whole spawn, including BS rats) was immidietly on drones, blapping them. So idk, it's special per account, depends on ship fit (hes shield 4 dda, I fly armor, 3x dda), client ping, how often you pray to the Loot Fairy or if you were on mittens side in world war bee.

Some1 here suggested auto targeter, what's the point of having one if drones are set on auto aggro anyway? (sadly) if the rats only yellow-box you still have to target manually.



There are a lot of myths about all manner of PVE issues, and the "auto-targeter keeps aggro off drones" is one of them. It doesn't. ECM (including burst jammers) and remote reps help because of how NPCs prioritize threats, but those aren't fool proof either. Something that most people don't know is that speed is also read as 'threat' by NPCs since CCPs AI upgrades years ago, which is why the speed tanked afk vni/ishtar works in the 1st place.

I use multiple VNIs daily (not together, rather in different anomalies, it's not uncommon for me to have 1 in a forsaken rally point and another in a forsaken hub for example) and I lose at most one tech II heavy drone per week. i've lost more drones warping off when a neutral comes into local than I have from npc aggro.

No ecm burst needed, no auto-targeter, no special tactics like 'wait for aggro and then deploy". No nothing.

I land, immediately deploy tech2 heavy drones (set to aggressive), click on some structure or rock in the anomaly and orbit at 30km with 100mn AB on, and then totally forget about that VNI for 15 minutes unless someone comes into local. I don't assign the drones to a target, they will do that when npcs aggro the vni. I've done this with the standard shield tanked vni, and with an armor tanked vni..

I don't know what people are doing wrong, but this whole thread just goes to show that some people could mess up a peanut butter and jelly sandwich without even trying lol.
Galadaen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2016-07-12 03:13:26 UTC
Nomad Vherokic wrote:
You may need to target rats that only yellow box you as your drones will generally not attack them regardless of aggression settings.


Why do the rats do that?

When this happens it also seems like the 'Non-Capsuleer Log-Off Timer' makes an annoying sound for each rat that has to be manually engaged by drones.
Roenok Baalnorn
Baalnorn Heavy Industries
#30 - 2016-07-12 12:05:24 UTC
Galadaen wrote:
Nomad Vherokic wrote:
You may need to target rats that only yellow box you as your drones will generally not attack them regardless of aggression settings.


Why do the rats do that?

When this happens it also seems like the 'Non-Capsuleer Log-Off Timer' makes an annoying sound for each rat that has to be manually engaged by drones.
because being yellow boxed is not always a bad thing IE: logi.
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