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In other words you have no idea what is wrong and are buying time to figure it out.... Because I find it hard to believe you have a fix but won't deploy it despite Eve as always peeking in numbers and activity over the weekend and you expect everyone to believe the "day off" scenario... This is Eve... There are no days off!!!

Salty too 😀

Maybe you should pay attention to E:D news and how quickly their devs respond to outstanding issues.

Would you buy a car that operated like that. Just because its endemic does not mean we should accept it. Otherwise slavery would still
be a thing. So looks like we're just getting bad code, that is being managed well - result!

Readonly Fridays, go look it up. No matter how broken your systems are, deploying a fix on Friday is courting worse disaster.

You do not EVER EVER EVER deploy shortly before time you're not going to be there, whether due to your obligation to be somewhere else or a company's obligation to not have you there.

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Sounds surprisingly close to our setup, and we do nothing like eve, hehe. I guess you have all sorts of update textures/shaders -> render new icons -> update resources chains and that, I can only image the size of your repositories.

Hello this thread! I gotta say this is amazing to read. Also it provoked me into having strong opinions, and since I firmly believe everyone is entitled to my opinion on the internet I’m going to put it here!

I’m a career manager who has worked for the US Military in armored operations and as a civilian in industrial logistics (these two are way way more similar than you think). I’m not a technical person at all, the limit of my coding knowledge is writing a bubble sorter in visual basic. No, my job is getting **** done… somehow.

Much of the time that involves keeping all the specialized people on task no matter how catastrophically ****** things are. That means doing hard things that people not in management never have to do, like telling people ‘no’ and setting priorities. Also, it frequently means cleaning up after my people when their lack of social skills combines with stress, anger, and short deadlines to cause them to damage relationships with others who they have to rely on in order to do their jobs.
All this kind of makes me want to take some of the rage posts out of here and use them as teaching points. The lesson would be something like, “Read the words by these people. Laugh at the words by these people. But whatever you do, don’t be like these people.

Why is this, the rage posters might reply? Well, let me try and put this in context. One of my people busts into my office in a rage and says, “Sir, one of our vendors has an issue that causes degraded performance in 1% of a non-critical function! I talked to the technical expert and they aren’t deploying the fix until Monday in case it breaks something bigger, because there wouldn’t be anyone there over the weekend to fix it!”

During this speech my expression would have gradually changed from concern to confusion to something that implied the speaker had just sprouted a huge floppy **** from his forehead and it was bouncing off the tip of his nose as he spoke. With that in mind my reply would be something like, “So this keeps us from functioning over the weekend?”

This uniquie and beautiful individual would then say something like, “No, but we’re customers and the product isn’t perfect! And I just sent them a horribly mean email telling them they fail at their job because of it!”

Now, my reply from there would really depend if I was in uniform or not. If I was a civilian I would have a professional development session with this person. If I was in the military I would conduct the session while they held a 40lb medicine ball over their head. Then, once they had hopefully learned something, my next action would be to pick up the phone and call the vendor. I would humbly apologize for my subordinate’s conduct, assure them it would never happen again, and ask if they had any other issues they wanted to bring to my attention.

You see, for the rage-posters who are making demands for an immediate fix, all you are doing is making yourselves look like stupid assholes. There are a few reasons for this. The problem is really quite small. It impacts a small portion of a secondary part of the game, and a fix is in the works. In fact communication about the fix has been quite clear and direct; this is how you want to find out about problems from a supplier! Because of the point above the degree of anger and simple meanness appears, to an objective observer, to be quite out of proportion to the actual problem. Now, you can always be mean on the internet, and you can abuse Foxfour to your heart’s content without facing any real consequences, but if you are going to cloak your criticism in terms of, “But it hurts Eve!” you are either a **** looking for a justification or you are woefully ignorant about how things work in the real world.

You see, anyone who has actually been there and done stuff will tell you relationships between suppliers and customers are hugely important. By acting as if this utterly trivial problem is the end of the world, and by taking a very nasty tone when you do it, all you are damaging the community’s relationship with the Devs. This makes the Devs less likely to listen to feedback about other problems in the future. Since some of those future problems are going to be far more consequential you do Eve a disservice, and you make yourself look like a douche in the process.

Then, just for variety, we get to the anger about somebody taking a weekend off with a small technical problem outstanding. Now, if the servers were down, or even if maybe killmails weren’t being recorded at all, I could see why people would be mad. But that isn’t the case. No, it’s a tiny problem that will go away in 96 hours. Contrast that with the fact that Burnout is real, and bad for productivity. I know, I’ve been in places where quitting wasn’t an option and seen how it ruins people. Being on call because this change got pushed on a Friday would degrade Foxfour’s weekend. I know enough about experts to say that an hour of clear, thoughtful code writing is worth a day of exhausted pecking. Plus, lack of focus makes bugs more likely. So why, given the tiny scope of the problem, should she have to worry about during off hours? Again, that lack of proportion is not doing you hater types any favors here.

Still, feel free to keep the rage coming. It’s fun to read, and the Eve community wouldn’t be the same without it. Plus, some of you might even enjoy the feeling of that great big willy tapping your nose with each key-stroke.

Also since this thread has gone from code releases to slavery in only four pages, I must complete the circle. Foxfour, you are Hitler for not releasing a fix for this on Friday. Not like Hitler, you are literally a small Austrian man over a century old who tried to conquer Europe. And thus the Godwin has been achieved, in accordance with the book of Internets!

Former 31 Bravo here. Never got along with the yellow or blue cords

So you complain about software being released before it's ready, and about PEOPLE TAKING MEASURES TO MAKE SURE SOFTWARE IS NOT RELEASED BEFORE IT'S READY at the same time? Wha...?

Also, was that a Goodwin? I'm not familiar with that phrase, I'm not sure.