Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Actually, I never said I was running more than one Covetor, multi-boxing, or anything of the sort. You are injecting your own preconceived notions into my situation, although I freely grant that others who do the things you describe would be even more dramatically inconvenienced in this regard.

I'm simply pointing out that the Ore Hold of a Covetor, which can handle two cycles of its Mining Lasers under all other circumstances, cannot handle two cycles with perfect Orca Boosts, max skills and T2 equipment+crystals.

I am not complaining, per se, I am seeking the endorsement of others who see this as unusual and a significant inconvenience, and who agree this should be addressed via a slight rebalancing in terms of the Covetor's Ore Hold size.

Which is why I proposed it here in this Forum: Idea Suggestion.

The Covetor can handle all T2 modules without any problems. It works well enough in that capacity by itself. It is only in conjunction with an Orca, in a Mining Fleet, that this becomes an issue. And even so, only when that Orca + Foreman Links are providing nigh-perfect boosts. A slight increase in the Ore Hold would solve this issue.

No other T2-Fit Mining Barge in the game suffers this situation when flown under max skills, unable to run its Mining Lasers for two cycles in a Fleet with perfect Boosts.

It stands out on that basis alone.

If you have high enough skills that this is actually an issue, you're doing it wrong. Spend the isk and get a skiff or mackinaw. You won't notice any appreciable reduction in income, and if you're flying a skiff, you're not likely to get ganked.

Also, you still haven't told us why being expected to pay attention to the game you're playing is a problem.

What in the world do this have to do with "balance"?

When there is talk about balance, it must have to do with power. A cargo hold does has zero to do with power.

svipuls reign supreme way over the top, EVERYONE but CCP call that overpowered - that boat oversteps the boundaries of balance compared to the other ships of the class.

Heavy missiles are not able to do more than 10% of the advertised damage, we call that underpowered.

Two fine examples of game balance that needs addressing for years.

A simple change of when you fire your strip miners, not mining lasers on a mining barge is not an example of game balance but learning how to become a good miner or staying bad - that is up to you.

From now on thou shall not speak of game balance in vein.

That is fine but I have to correct you here, I never said such things about missiles. If you remember, I was the only one defending them at the time and was trying to even give them their application back in full since all other weapon systems got buffed.

I was however always jumping at anyones throat when they complained about missiles.


When the Ishtar was the FOTY boat I made this joke about nerfing Ishtars with nerfing light missiles instead.

Just adding my voice to the chorus here, OP, this is 100% intentional on the part of CCP that the ore bay threshold comes in just below 2 full cycles with absolutely maxed out mining bonuses.

You are expected to do very slightly more work with maxed out bonuses, but you don't actually lose anything over *not* having maxed out bonuses if you don't do the work. You lose out on a little ore either way, but on one side you lose out because you're not maxed out and on the other you lose out slightly less because you want to check back every 2 cycles instead of 1.

Iain Cariaba is 100% correct and the point he's been reiterating for two pages now is supported by the original rebalance thread from *four years ago*.

Actually, the process of adjusting values, whether it is DPS, HP, Ore Hold Size, etc., of one item (Character Class, Starship, etc) in a game is called rebalancing that item, as they are all relative to one another. It is not necessarily in terms of power, although power is included as a subset. For example, modifying the amount of Fuel that Amarrian POS consume per hour compared to other races' POS does not change its DPS or HP, and so in your terms would not be considered rebalancing, but of course it certainly is.

Just no. Please stop.