Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Just that. Simple.

Anyone that's ever been to low sec knows literally no one mines there, ever. It's just crazy deadly. Null sec has its own sort of protections for barges (friends!) and WH's have the need to get probes out to find them first...

but there's nothing for low sec to enable miners to participate--or even try.

I propose removing the Prospect and the Endurance from Dscans. This would open up a HUGE mining potential in low sec (the pvprs there never check belts, and REALLY never check mining anoms). It would still leave them vulnerable to probes in WH's like everyone else is, and make little to no change in Null.

About the only downside would be for FW plexes, especially the smalls, where they could be abused like recons are (i like the mechanic myself--mediums are never safe). Solution could be to not allow them in the plexes--or, nothing below a medium.

Better solution? Remove them from D-scan, ONLY when the mining lasers are ACTIVE.

i like that part better.

Make it so that when mining lasers are active, the Prospect and Endurance, are removed from d-scan.

That should open up low sec mining a ton.

Prospect can already pull this trick ... Actually cant they both?
With a cloak obviously.

Regardless , **** that ,no. Thay would be all kinds of broken.

As one of the nobodies that mines in lowsec, I give this idea a heart-felt no. I don't need the competition.

It would add an interesting stepping stone though. Expedition Frigs are less efficient than a Procurer so it makes a bit of sense to make them lower risk as well.

It's worth remembering that lowering perceived risk (which is basically what this would do) can make players more likely to take risk, which would help get more players into ninja-mining Low and Null, which creates more content for those areas.



Can't stay cloaked up forever, certainly not while mining.

OP's idea would allow an attentive player to know something was coming for them before it lands on grid and without a lazy pirate knowing the player was ever on that grid, but a complacent player would still be extremely vulnerable to being probed down.

Except that once in belt anybody who comes in system without seeing them on grid will NEVER find them. I mean, what are you going to do, take 20 minutes in every system to check every single belt on the incredibly minute chance somebody is mining there? It'd be even worse in wormhole space, unless a scanner plans on huffing a site themselves they don't warp to the site. If someone gets in site the chances of them getting found would be... Extremely tiny.

You'd give anyone huffing gas in wormholes an immediate free pass to all the gas they want. Probe down the gas sites, wipe the single spawn of sleepers with a combat ship, clean up the wrecks, and then take all the time you want mining the gas, because there's no way for anyone to know you're there. If you pay half ass attention to d-scan, you can mine out the gas in your home hole and all statics with 100% safety. 100% safety in EvE is a bad thing.


At which point the newbies will expect that same safety to extend beyond their little Venture. So, once again, I have to say no. Newbies are better off learning early on that they're not really safe anywhere in EvE.


Yet your idea does guarantee profit with ease. See my first response in this post. FYI, c5 and c6 gas sites are extremely profitable, even with a Venture.




You've never mined in nullsec, I can tell. Of my five years mining, four years of that was spend mining in nullsec. Nullsec mining is even safer than mining in highsec. Intel channels tell you of incoming hostiles, and anything in local that isn't blue is a guaranteed hostile. The only time a miner gets killed in nullsec is when he's not paying attention at all.

First, you can already do more or less the same thing with an Expedition Frig, you just warp off and cloak up. Second, there are way too many "if you do X....s" in there for this to actually be 100% safety. It's like the tired old argument that Carrier-Ratting in Null is 100% safe, so long as you fight aligned and pay attention, and yet there are killboards full of dead ratting-carriers proving that in practice 100% safety just from paying attention is not something that is ever going to happen.



This is a bit of a slippery slope fallacy. The general response to anyone with an unreasonable request or suggestion for Eve is "no", as I'm sure you're well aware from hanging around the forums. Besides, it's not actually that hard to get around D-Scan immunity if you have a probe launcher. A newbie is going to learn pretty quickly that the game isn't safe, and most already know it coming in (trust me, I spent years with Eve Uni), the bigger problem is generally convincing newbies that the game can actually be pretty safe if you're smart and clever, not that it's a horrible dangerous sandbox full of people out to steal your cookies.



Anyone who actually wants to see who is in their wormhole will use a probe launcher, not D-Scan, which this will offer no protection from.



I said nothing about how safe Null mining is, or isn't, I'm well aware of how safe well secured Null space can be, but the general perception among newbies is generally the opposite, that setting one foot outside of High means death. That's a large part of what pushed Eve Uni to open up the Low, Null, and WH camps and why the various Null-newbie orgs are a great thing for the game (well, most of them).

Having a ship that says "you can go make better money in Low and maybe not die" isn't a bad thing for a newbie to see, even if an experienced player will circumvent that perceived safety and probably blow the newbie up anyways. In my experience that first time dying to another player is often a major learning experience for the new player, and does more to push them to stay with the game than it does drive them away.

Actually, the problem is not in mining. Or in mining frigats.

Problem is in Dscan itself.

It is the most stupid game feature ever maded in game industry. Its also extremly autistic boring obsolote tool.

I just recomend make Dscan properly, to make it sense in the sense of gameplay.

If Dscan will be made properly, all mining frigates pilots will be happy. And other players too.

I love this idea.

Interesting idea but then don't let that stuff into FW plexes. My tour bus is a venture, so I'd suffer but well it has reasons...