EVE General Discussion

Hi,

Come on guys we can do better, there's more to this game than people think. I'm addressing the people who are thinking of coming to Stain for hub zero, what exactly are your reservations about the proposal?

Stain?


STAIN?


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Here we go again.

Or join an established group and charge around with the wind in your hair taking whatever you want and exploding anyone who even looks at you funny.
The choice is yours.

I'm not sure what you're talking about regarding broker fees and taxes, Stain is NPC so anyone selling anything have to pay these two fees. Are you referring to buying and selling in citadels? my knowledge is limited on that subject.

I guess it could be about exploration to start, No matter what you do in Eve I think its great to have blues to do it with, I've found blues helpful in the past because lots of them acted as lookouts so we would know if anyone set up a gatecamp to trap us.

I think you would do very well here if you are blue to the Russian players in Stain they simply wouldn't bother you, I know that there are a few different factions within the Russian player base so its possible you may not be blue to all of them. Seriously man, this area is almost void of life compared to other regions.

I was thinking about goons the other day and I thought Stain would be a good place for them to regroup, I think it would be too hard for the goon haters to get at you. I can imagine you guys have wardecs coming out of your ears.

Whats happening with goons atm chewy? Does Hub Zero seem like something you would join?

What say we blue each other up and make a start down here and keep it cool? If you came here to Hub Zero to explore you could write about your experience here and hopefully attract more explorers. If we can do this an isk rich person may come along and give you immediate isk for your exploring wares. There's so much more to this game than people think.

Furthermore I would add that there is plenty of 'content' opportunity to be had in fleet pvp defense roams. I'd like to think it possible to put together a group like Spectre on the fly, but whose purpose is to solely defend the region. This could bring plenty of content to the area simply looking for a fight as well as bring content to others in the surrounding area if desired.

You would need to set up something similar to how Spectre functions for fleets, including coms (whatever they use), and a public in game channel for questions or arranging groups.

With Spectre ANYONE can join these fleets, there are is no alliance, corps, or whatever. You simply fleet up and roam or leave to accomplish an objective. This would be great for the idea you have.


Call it Stain standing fleet for starters if you want, and perhaps even some indy people might donate some ships to the cause if they have interests to protect in the area.

I remember you. I remember you saying no to everything I asked you. One time you were scouting our side of the gate to see which enemies came through, I asked you politely if you could sit on the enemy side of the gate and report what you saw, you simply refused to see or even try my logic. I ended up using one of my own alts to scout the other side of the gate without arguing with you or saying anything negative to you, a whole new world of intel was opened up to us. It got to the point where I didn't want to even suggest anything to you for fear of having my head bitten off, many times you disagreed with my ideas before hearing them out.

It obvious that you never bothered to read this thread properly or any other thread of mine, If you had read this thread you'd know that I endorse people taking initiative, my ventures are aimed at everyone being involved and everyone having the opportunity to shine and no one being stopped from following their calling.

I find your assessment of me very unfair and I think you're just following in the footsteps of people like Logicfx and others who have tried to manipulate people against me. Didn't Logicfx blow up the ships of you and your buddy cos he thought you two were my spies? Why don't you consider anything like this when judging me? I did not blow up any of your ships in fact you blew up one of mine in an unprovoked attack.

I see that you are still the same person from 6 years ago, I find what you are saying about me very ignorant and I'm never going to entertain any conversation with you from this point. At this point I am certain that I cannot blue you or work with you in any shape or form.

It's a big shame Major, if only you could slow down and calm yourself a bit you would see there's great benefit to ensuring you understand what someone is trying to communicate to you.

Good luck with whatever you do in game, I'm moving on now. Goodbye.

Yes, Sansha space is an explorers dream, I suppose pvp'ers will be happy to gank an explorer and collect loot I wouldn't say hunted frequently, I'd just say there are certain routes in Stain that are camped 90% of the time and if you try to get through solo then you will lose a ship. It's really about knowing the space you live in.

If I was to set up citadel in Stain right now it would have a large crosshair on it the moment it is activated. I know of a couple of Titans in Stain presently also there are some good pvp'ers who will reschedule everything just to destroy our Citadel. I feel a Citadel is something we could look at later down the line when blue agreements have been made and we have the means to protect it. Defending a Citadel would be a community operation because we can all benefit from using it. We would need to analyse Citadel loss mails and determine what type of fleet we need to defend it. Once we reach that level I would fully endorse setting up a one.

The Idea of Hub Zero is simply to progress and create a blue community that cool people can join and enjoy every aspect Eve has to offer. Generally Stain has limited numbers due to the danger level, it would be great to see more people here supporting each other and doing what it takes to create a small economy down here. I guess my goal is to simply benefit from having blues, It's cool to have people to do combat sites and pvp with, its cool to have someone to sell me t2 stuff on the market, and its cool that there is someone happy to scout for me. I do have a solid plan for making this happen if people chose to help me implement it.

Look at Hub Zero as a platform for everything Eve related, compare it to a sci-fi film where we are setting up in a quiet but dangerous part of space and dealing with whatever comes our way.

So a dude could come here to do Sansha missions, he could then use the chat channels and mailing list to invite others to help with the missions, everybody is happy because someone has taken the time to organise regular mission ratting. I look at it in simple terms like this, I'm simply happy to be a part of it all.

EDIT: Try not to see me as any kind of leader, I'll be around helping out where I can, I will be involved in organising ops and giving general advice. Please try to view me as just one of the guys.

Btw, that standing fleet could include exploration players that can therefore communicate intel, recieve intel, or join a roaming fleet for a particular cause.

The other thing about having a roaming fleet here is that they could at least form up some kind of defense for a citadel in the region. You could start with an Astrahus as merely as safer location to dock or undock in hostile space. Ideally however you would need a Fortizar, and yes i know everyone and their grandmother might want to come and blow it up. However, if they see the merit in having a low brokerage fee and low tax market Fortizar in the area they 'might' just stand down and allow it to happen. They might even help defend it and before long you end up having any number of allies in the area there to help you at a moments notice.

In addition, you probably would want or need to start an Intel channel just for this entire region. It could be a pasword protected intel channel or simply one that is open to all with a simple MOTD explaining how to share intel, as well as use the copy paste intel site available showing fleet composition.

All in all, this could very well be the start of an excellent market and joint venture out in Stain. But it will take people to get it set up, and I look forward to seeing if you make any headway here with others. Perhaps I can get some alts down there and join the roams eventually. Regardless I am happy to lend you my ideas and get this baby jump started in that way.

They are indeed an EXCELLENT catalyst of pvp, and have already been used many many times for just that reason. By extension, citadels also attract people, and some of those people may just want to help the cause ;)

Just some things to think about good sir!

It is sad you feel that way because I thought my post was generally supportive of your endeavor.

You need to realize that the new people reading this thread, people who don't know you, are left thinking - "This sounds brilliant, almost too good to be true" and we all know what that means in Eve! It is then followed by a troll fest from the haters. Your statements that previous versions of Hub Zero all failed because of the actions of others, simply isn't believable. It is like the Brexit debates again, two totally polarized points of view, surely the truth is somewhere in the middle?

Thus, by offering an explanation for previous problems, an explanation that yes is detrimental to you, but which some people will be able to work with. I'm actually doing you a service; people will recognize this as a genuine attempt at a balanced view and may decide to give it a go. What you need most of all is bodies on the ground. Bodies without grand expectations, whom become disillusioned and quit after a few days. People need to understand that you can be a difficult personality to get along with and are willing to be subservient to you and if they can’t do that, stay at a distance where you won’t irritate each other.